The lock-downs were counterproductive & now we need an abrupt opening of the economy to build herd immunity. Sweden handled COVID-19 the best.

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[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

As long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed, nothing should be shut down, imo.

The whole "flattening the curve" thing was to lower death rates by preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. Hospitals are not overwhelmed, and in fact most are half-empty right now. Furthermore the growth rate of the disease plateaued many weeks ago.

Yes the growth will accelerate from opening things up, but that's to be expected. As long as hospitals aren't overwhelmed, lockdowns for the healthy do basically nothing, as 70% will get it anyway, lockdown or not. It's just the rate that changes, so locking down only draws this thing out.

And if someone is high-risk they need to take care of themselves to safeguard against that, just like with previous flu seasons. We cannot grind the world to a halt over something that has a 0.3% mortality rate, it's just nonsensical. Back when we thought it was a 3-4% mortality rate, that behavior made sense. But now that 44 studies have shown a median mortality rate of 0.3%, it's clear this is just a bad flu in terms of how we should react to it. It's not the black death like we thought in the beginning.

[–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"not the black death like we thought in the beginning...". Who exactly is the "we" here? You and the rest of the mainstream media? Who thought this was the black death? You and the other fear mongering people? See this is the narrative we're going to get from the people who have been fear mongers from the beginning. A backpedaling to justify why they believed what they believed. These are the same people who just weeks ago where shouting from the rooftops that everyone was going to die if we didn't shut down immediately. Totally laughable. Fear is a power emotion and they played off it perfectly this time. No one who was critically looking at the data from the start had thoughts about this being the black death or anything of the sort. It seems like those kinds of fear mongering ideas only came from people being fed a narrative. And now you're being spoon fed a narrative of backpedaling because of X, y, or z. W.e the reason you and many other people were part of the fear mongering. That needs to recognized so in the future it doesn't happen again.

[–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

i agree that, from the beginning, if one critically examined the numbers it was clear there was in no way a 3-4% mortality rate. The WHO and the CDC knew damn well that was the case. They were reporting the 3-4% mortality rate as "pandemic numbers" while not taking any asymptomatic/unknown cases into account as they do with the flu and related illnesses. In the case of the flu for 2018-2019, out of 34,000 deaths, an additional 35.5 million estimated asymptomatic/unknown cases were taken into account. I do not believe it's possible that an agency who's responsible for reporting and tracking disease to mistakenly make this error, and were absolutely complicit in inciting fear and panic - along with the MSM.

I don't agree that magnora7 was fear mongering though. At the beginning, he flat out said that if the numbers didn't start add up after a month or something he would re-evaluate. It's up to him as an individual to critically look at different sources of information and make his own decisions, as we all should do. While it was not clear to him in the beginning as it was to others, at least he did critically evaluate it for himself.

Fear and panic have long been used to sway the masses. You would think that here in the "information age" there would be better understanding and better discernment, but no. Instead, now many people just believe whatever thier dumbphone tells them without finding diverse viewpoints for themselves to critically evaluate information. It comes down to the individual, and until the majority of individuals hold and value their sovereignty by thinking for themselves, I'm afraid history will likely repeat itself. But, this is why I am here on Saidit, to be able to express and learn from differing viewpoints.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for the well thought out comment. Most of it I can agree with but the fact is if you look at magnora comments starting from a month ago and going back he was def fear mongering. He was spouting the mass media narrative line for line. How is that not fear mongering? Granted he has now slowly changed his position but that is my point. All the people, including politicians etc, will start doing this now. It was be a slow progression to a new narrative of backpedaling because of X, Y or Z reasons. To say someone was critically looking at the data from the beginning but also spouting mass media narratives doesn't make sense.

[–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, I disagree magnora was fear mongering. I don't see where he was spouting the mass media narrative line for line. He was saying that if the numbers don't turn out to what they said they were going to be then it's "clear the lockdowns are not for our health anymore":

https://saidit.net/s/Twitter/comments/3rw6/dont_trust_the_government/doh4?context=3

I think it's also possible for someone to critically look at information and be wrong.

I agree there will be politicians who will say "well we just didn't know" etc, just as they said that no one expected that planes would fly into the twin towers when they had a written scenario for that exact situation. Of course, politicians are professional hypocrites with a personal agenda. I really have not seen magnora try to sway others on this site one way or the other, only state his opinion. I have a hard time seeing what agenda he would have running this site and not making money off of it. I dunno, perhaps he's getting paid by some alphabet agency to run this as a honeypot, but I don't think so.

This COVID-19 pandemic absolutely has been manufactured. Some seem to be backpedaling, while others seem to be doubling down. The media narrative keeps bringing up a 2nd wave. Wouldn't it be a coinky dink if the 2nd wave actually did have a large mortality rate?