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    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

    If you are a communist censor, why are you here? In America we have freedom of speech, comrade.

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      [–]asterias 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      millionaires

      Like the bosses of Google, Apple, Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and the like? The same who have been providing all data to the government since Obama demanded so?

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Matrix is federated, not distributed, which is what he's talking about. I think he means so'm like ZeroNet.

      You immediately jump to wrong-think as being the major problem (which makes me think you'd be better off moving to Reddit), but the real issue with a platform like this would be viruses and illegal content. ZeroNet, for example, is full of child porn and crypto miners.

      [–]asterias 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Free speech zones are quarantined on most Mastodon instances because leftists are fond of censorship and f-droid has been leading the trend with banning Gab. They actively imposed hardcoded IP blacklists so that only leftist messages are presented to the end user. Just more proof that leftists are intolerant and stalinist in nature.

      [–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      free-speech zones are quarantined on Mastodon

      Laughs in UK

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      you got a license for that laugh m8?

      [–]dontbuyanylogos 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      you got a license for that license mate?

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The law says, all illegal stuff must be removed. Systems that can't follow the law, will be attacked by the state.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah, you could be held liable for downloading that stuff. Maybe you'd be legally protected as a publisher, or perhaps you'd be liable as an individual — but I don't think anyone wants to risk going to prison for possession of child pornography just because they opened a website (pedos mostly stick to the dark web, which comes with much less risk).

      That was a huge issue back when I used ZeroNet. There where allegations of websites hosting cp all over the place, and you weren't gon'o take the chance even if the allegation was obviously fake. There where also crypto miners absolutely everywhere, which is why I quit.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      TLDR; they do exist (like ZeroNet, which I don't recommend), but they always fail, because viruses and illegal porn are everywhere.

      Like qbittorrent but for chatting instead of stealing game of thrones.

      I laughed at this. It's mostly used for pirating, but does have some legal applications, like downloading large files or Linux distros — which is what I use it for, since some distros are quite large, and torrenting is often faster than downloading. That's how I got Linux Lite for my mom's computer.

      Is it technically impossible

      It would just be moving files around. You'd have to make sure only files you need are being downloaded, though, so it doesn't slow down everyone's devices and fill up their hard-drives.

      or technically a pain in the ass

      It would be almost impossible to prevent viruses, malware, and illegal porn from spreading like crazy. That's what happened to ZeroNet, which I stopped using once it downloaded a crypto miner to my computer.

      or there's no way to make money off it

      There wouldn't be a need to, since content would be distributed, rather than centralized in a single server. I guess you could make money off of it with donation links, but that would be like spamming ads.

      nobody wants to give up being servermaster of mount internet

      That's the major problem. The big tech cartel makes it hard to create, find, and use alternatives.

      would you necessarily have to expose your IP to everyone else

      Yes, but you could use a VPN or proxy. They just need to know where to send the files, and your IP address tells them that. This does open the door to deanonymization, though, especially with malicious files — which is, quite honestly, the biggest hurdle so'm like this faces.

      it'd just be a big dox machine?

      Contrary to popular belief, IP addresses don't give you very much information. You can plug it into a website to figure out where someone lives, but this is only a rough estimate. When I plug mine in: it always says I live in a town I've never even been to.

      The most important information it can give is your ISP. This ain't useful for most people, but the government can demand your ISP to reveal who used that IP address at a certain time to figure out who you are.

      IP tracking is probably the largest threat — and mainstream social media already does this. They track which IP addresses visit their website, log what they do, and try to get records from other websites. In this case: these companies could just monitor the network.

      There's also the threat of hackers targeting you, but file sharing is a bigger problem on that front, although someone might try to DDoS you by making a bunch of fake requests.

      But, no, it wouldn't reveal who you are to anyone who can't already figure it out.

      So far the best anyone's done is federation

      Well, no, distributed platforms like ZeroNet do exist, but they're inherently impractical due to the prevalence of viruses and illegal porn.

      So to answer your question: there are way too many viruses and illegal stuff to make it practical. The risk is way too high unless you know the people you're talking to — and even if you do: what if they get hacked? Or what if they just get impersonated?

      It ain't gon'o happen. ZeroNet, and plenty of other platforms, tried this and failed.

      [–]fediverseshill 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Some games also used to use it as one of the protocols for patch distribution, idk if newer ones use it as much.

      [–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Current Internet is build on infrastructure owned largely by governments and private companies who are also working closely with government. We would need new hardware tech that is also decentralized to allow true decentralized software on top of it. Whatever current decentralized solution exist for web apps, it still depends on people being online through the current ISP infra.