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[–]369 21 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

You aren't supposed to think about those things.
Remember how Democrats clamored for four years about Russia influencing the election process? Isn't it convenient that they're quick to dismiss allegations this time around?

Hell, they impeached the guy a literal week before he left office. What's the point in that? They accomplished this in mere days when it took months of deliberation for the stimulus plan to be enacted, which Americans "desperately needed" for months.
People not being able to sense the glaring faults here tells a lot of the story.

Learn about Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. These demoralization standards are being used en masse right now at the behest of tptb.
This applies to politics - they're gate-keeping noticing abnormalities in the election process and the media is being used to dissuade anyone from potentially realizing they could be wrong.
It's the same thing with cryptos - they keep telling us, "Oh, China has ultimate control of Blockchain technology. There's no stopping them!" or "Tether isn't backed by anything and there's no way the whole industry doesn't collapse.". Then there's, "People might launder money!" even though US Dollars are probably the most widely laundered asset the world has ever known.
Then there's Covid - don't you dare ask questions about the vaccine or the genuine reporting of information surrounding the virus. We can see plainly that masks don't just not work, they make your health conditions worse. We know the vaccines aren't safe as we can see plainly people breaking out in to convulsions or suddenly developing Bell's palsy (total coincidence there!).

The truth is DC and the Mockingbird apparatus are FREAKED THE FUCK OUT right now. They're doing everything they can to stave off Norman noticing any more than they planned on.
Unfortunately, it's too late for them to stop it.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The truth is DC and the Mockingbird apparatus are FREAKED THE FUCK OUT right now.

Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention, but I'm not seeing it. My impression is it's more like a cattle roundup from the open range, with a lot of action happening in a short time. At the conclusion, the cattle are all in the pens and ready for the next stage.

[–]369 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You're familiar with Yuri Bezmenov, correct?
Sure, this might be the long term plan, but Hilary was supposed to win. They've been in improv mode for about five years now. They would have initiated those steps after she aggressed Russia in to a hot conflict, the virus ransacked the economy and locked people in their homes and they would have diluted the Dollar massively to ensure the cattle couldn't get out.

Fortunately for us, they got bamboozled like a bunch of brainlets.
You should really grab some popcorn.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You should really grab some popcorn.

I've had my air popper for awhile, but have only been roasting coffee with it. Actually have 6 pounds of the blue kernels on order.

Okay, most people think my theory is nuts, and it may be, but I believe the people running our planet don't let randoms get close to the presidency of the US. You're whitelisted, or something happens.

As such, Trump was selected and installed to be the chaos president the whites are desperate to believe in after the african did so much damage. There are still people telling me Trump and Q "woke people up", and that it's been a net positive. Maybe...

But just making people aware of their situation isn't a cure. Biden is going to be a real awakening to our true position. Are people really going to rise up en mass and kill all the politicians? And their henchmen? And their financiers? Then the 'black knights', 13 families, or whatever the owners go by? Maybe I'm just not in touch, but I'm not seeing it. I see the wake up as more of a sharp slap to face of your slave who isn't paying attention.

I guess we'll begin to see what's up this year. Either the elite who own and control most everything are hands off on the way things work, or they're steering the ship on the path they've laid out.

Popcorn time indeed.

[–]fediverseshill 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Hell, they impeached the guy a literal week before he left office. What's the point in that? They accomplished this in mere days when it took months of deliberation for the stimulus plan to be enacted, which Americans "desperately needed" for months. People not being able to sense the glaring faults here tells a lot of the story.

THIS, the american people need mother fucking healthcare right now and the elites (politicians with millions of income) could care less - THEN, the trumper army came!!!! 100 nonviolent conservatives MARCHED around congress peacefully (with a few antifa infiltrators), and suddenly CONGRESS GOES INTO ACTION!!!! a 2 day impeachment!!!! people STILL have no healthcare, STILL have their jobs and businesses closed, but CONGRESS has TRUMPERS outside their door!!!! MENACINGLY TAKING SELFIES NEAR THE STATUES FFS!!! CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD, THIS IS A RIOT!!!! xDD

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you dumb fuckers call it socialism whenever we someone calls for healthcare.

[–]madcow-5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you dumb fuckers say "they have insurance, they'll be alright" when you destroy small businesses during a faux race riot.

Meanwhile, actual liberals like myself, who were very much for a government healthcare option circa 2008-2010, remember the biggest problem being the insurance companies. Your dipshit generation doesn't get to claim to be pro healthcare for everyone when you pretend insurance companies weren't the very reason people were for it.

[–]Drewski 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Or in a similar vein, if the CIA overthrows foreign governments on a regular basis and sets up their own puppet leaders, why wouldn't they do it here?

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That's what they did to JFK with the help of the bankers and Soviets.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A puppet with nuclear weapons and a stronger army won't be very obedient.

[–]bjam27 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Trump had leaks and traitors in his admin until the very end. Safe to say the establishment is well established.

[–]fediverseshill 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

IMO - whoever advised him to drop the 2k checks demand, was also working against him (And the american people who need it right now).

[–]adultmanhwa 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes it's indeed rigged (highly likely)

[–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

just not in the states republicans won, right?

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    [–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you can find this, that would be a good read for politics or news!

    [–]jet199 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    We know the signs in non-western countries.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190

    Most of these things happened in the US election.

    [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    This was a great read. The article was written back in 2016, but has all the parallels.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Frankly I'm surprised it's still up.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (23 children)

    Why is this in s/technology? Whatever.

    The controversy ain't over whether or not the election was rigged — which it most certainly was — but rather over if there was fraud. Trump's argument was never that big money interests helped Biden, but rather consisted of a myriad of conspiracies involving illegal practices.

    It cannot be proven that there was wide-spread fraud, but it can be proven that the election was rigged.

    The Democratic-Republican Party rigged the system in their favor in order to maintain their duopoly and prevent the rise of any politician who may, to any extent, serve the People before the banks and mega-corporations. The first-past-the-post system, combined with the very existence of super PACs, has given the DRs an unfair advantage over the opposition.

    The question should not be, "did Biden steal the election from Trump?" but rather, "did Biden and Trump steal the election from the American People?" And the answer to that question is a resounding, "yes!"

    [–]bjam27 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

    Fraud is easy to prove, we all watched Trump win election night and then just the right number of illegal ballots the next day came in for ONLY Biden and not a single vote for another race cast. Fraud.

    [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, the fraud facilitated the rigging.

    [–]fediverseshill 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Fraud is easy to prove, we all watched Trump win election night and then just the right number of illegal ballots the next day came in for ONLY Biden and not a single vote for another race cast. Fraud.

    Most of them were mail ins, which afaik were set to be counted AFTER the election day votes. But sending home the republican counters and mysterious boxes while they were gone, was never fully explained.

    [–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mail in ballots get counted last and there was a lot of mail ins.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    The question should not be, "did Biden steal the election from Trump?" but rather, "did Biden and Trump steal the election from the American People?" And the answer to that question is a resounding, "yes!"

    This is the highly likely scenario. Take the bans on twitter et al, if we were billionaires retired from public office would we really want to spend half our days tweeting, or would we be off driving Maserati's and flying peacefully to private locations? His job's done, the bans are a perfect way to exit stage Left and resume a more private existence. The only indicator to measure his actions by will be his future wealth. If we see him pursued by the "swamp" then perhaps he was genuine, if he continues to amass wealth then obviously the "club" is backing him. Remember how he cursed Clinton and said he'd go after her when he was president, then after the election was quoted as saying that they were "Good people"?

    For all anyone knows the whole trump circus could have been a long term Op to restructure political thought and reaction in America. Nations always convert for republics to authoritarian rule given enough time. From Monarchies to dictatorships, from this to that. Perhaps a Major change is in the wind and this last presidential term and election were designed to destabilize Americans into accepting that change?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    Remember how he cursed Clinton and said he'd go after her when he was president, then after the election was quoted as saying that they were "Good people"?

    Trump used to be friends with the Clintons — and perhaps he still is. He never had any intent of "locking her up" as he said he would; it was just campaign talk.

    Perhaps a Major change is in the wind and this last presidential term and election were designed to destabilize Americans into accepting that change?

    That seems like a viable conspiracy, seeing how the capitol was stormed solely because capitol police refused aid. That's the excuse they keep using for their totalitarian measures, even though they're responsible for it by pushing the "defund the police" nonsense. They also allowed BLM to riot for months, burn down countless small businesses, and murder political opponents in the streets.

    They've also set two precedents: impeaching your political rivals to remove them from power, and objecting to the certification of electoral votes when you lose.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    He never had any intent of "locking her up" as he said he would; it was just campaign talk.

    Yes, I understood that, from the basic premise that all politicians can do is lie. But millions probably did believe it, or at least hoped it. They were the people who voted him in, the desperate and disenfranchised, the ones longing for the days of a bygone era where anyone could pull on a set of boots and go out and make a decent life for themselves and their family. It seems people in general are always 20 years behind the curve in their thinking, they pursue jobs like baristas and IT when the peak in those industries has passed and they are in decline. They invest in a pension plan based on 1980's returns when those returns were an anomaly and long passed.

    Your second precedent, the vote count, is a real milestone I think. In the future people will assume that the government will be chosen by others, not by their votes, which it no doubt has been for quite some time. That's one step shy of getting a Putin of an Xi.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    They were the people who voted him in, the desperate and disenfranchised, the ones longing for the days of a bygone era where anyone could pull on a set of boots and go out and make a decent life for themselves and their family

    Trump promised to "Make America Great Again"; he didn't do that — but he, along with Bernie Sanders, light the flame of discontent, which shall eventually grow into the bonfire of revolution — the establishment shall feed the flame, and the flame shall consume them.

    they pursue jobs like baristas and IT when the peak in those industries has passed and they are in decline

    IT still has potential, but I chose to go to college for business instead of computer science for a reason. As more coders enter the market: wages will decrease, because they'll compete for them — and the supply has become very saturated. This simply doesn't happen to business, because demand always increases faster than supply, keeping prices high.

    In the future people will assume that the government will be chosen by others, not by their votes, which it no doubt has been for quite some time.

    Most people already know this, but they ain't motivated to take action — what we need is a strong leader who's willing to do what needs to be done, and lead the American People to victory; Trump ain't that leader.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    — what we need is a strong leader who's willing to do what needs to be done, and lead the American People to victory; Trump ain't that leader.

    Well I don't know what to say to that? If you are talking about the concept of a "grey champion", well I don't know... There isn't a lot of freedom for any leader to make the radical changes you would need to extract yourselves out of the totalitarian state you are in. Often in history you can't go back, and there is nothing bright in the future either, not under large federal systems. I know of no example where a civilization so advanced in it's decline has come back from the brink?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    If you are talking about the concept of a "grey champion"

    I ain't got no idea what you're talking bout.

    There isn't a lot of freedom for any leader to make the radical changes

    That's because the leaders we've got have all been puppets of the bankers and billionaires — they have not the willpower to do what must be done.

    there is nothing bright in the future either, not under large federal systems

    That's why we need to reorganize into a confederation and return power to the states.

    I know of no example where a civilization so advanced in it's decline has come back from the brink?

    The American century is over. The Yankee Empire will fall, but I hope its destruction shall give rise to a new Republic.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    A Grey champion is a strong political figure who arises in a time of great need and brings order to a nation, he/she sees it through a great crisis. You have had a few in your history, Lincoln, FDR. It's a concept put forward by Strauss and Howe in their book generational turnings.

    Howe sees a top-down, institutional solution to the problems we face, but was optimistic about the prospects for strong leadership in the U.S. With two 70-year olds contesting for the U.S. presidency, Howe said that Trump is not a fourth-turning leader. He is stuck in the third turning, unable to adapt the persona of the “grey champion” who galvanizes younger generations to act.

    The alternative is “Sleepy Joe,” he said, who wants to “pretend that Trump never happened and go back to the Obama years. ”Democrats, he said, support Biden only because he is not Trump. “Very few are excited about him as a choice, including the millennial generation.”The interesting question, according to Howe, will be Biden’s vice presidential choice, considering his age and likelihood of running for a second term. To successfully emerge from the fourth turning, we need a leader who will galvanize across generations – young and old, Howe said.

    neil-howe-the-pandemic-and-the-fourth-turning.pdf

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Grey champion is a strong political figure who arises in a time of great need and brings order to a nation

    Oh. Never heard of it before.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    There might not be one this time. Strauss is dead and Howe is going off on all sorts of political tangents now. Their core work is sound, "Generational Theory" but there are cycles and super cycles in history and they never accounted for long ones in their theories because none occurred over the research time frame, basically the american era. Look at the interest rates now, the lowest in recorded history, a complete outlier. We are fast approaching the end of a debt supercycle many believe, one that will be like the tulip bubble fallout when it bursts. But maybe it wont burst? Maybe what they are doing now, allowing a managed collapse, will be the solution. To do this though you need to coordinate currencies and interest rates across the entire world, which is pretty much what has happened over the decades.

    These things transcend presidents and even concepts like democracies. You have a democracy, had one perhaps, but that doesn't mean it can exist in the future or exists now. Does it exist now? Many say no because of what just happened. But again these things are small potatoes compared to running the world without oil, compared to feeding 8 billion people. One EMP event or a year without a summer event affecting grain production can turn the world upside down instantly.

    You are quite right. The Yankee era is over, the 158 trillion in unfunded future liabilities for social security etc guarantee that. A chunk of that money was collected from taxes, and instantly spent, and now exists only as a bunch of US bonds held in a couple of filing cabinets at the treasury building. Same with all the private pensions, it's all invested in paper bonds and the stock market. The government will have to bail on SS one day and then what happens to the 100 million people for which it is their only source of income? That's a big question and no one has an answer. Biden wants to create 2 trillion dollars for a covid relief but a big chunk of that will go instantly towards making interest payments on the current 27 Trillion federal debt. 400 Billion in interest every year now. https://usdebtclock.org/

    Your government is spending twice what it takes in from taxes. Twice! Madness.

    [–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, I understood that, from the basic premise that all politicians can do is lie. But millions probably did believe it, or at least hoped it. They were the people who voted him in, the desperate and disenfranchised

    And totally ironically, was ALL the democrats yelling to JAIL TRUMPF!!!! That will solve things!!!!

    Complete and ironically.

    [–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If we see him pursued

    How do you believe that he was not? Did you just see a 2 day impeachment with no counter evidence presented? Where even the leader of his own party in the senate tells people to vote for it? Both parties hate him, almost as much as they hate Bernie (until he gave in to biden, today, at least).

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Many things have been promoted over there and at the end of the day they were simply pushed under the rug and replaced by the next level of bullshit. In 3 months time I would not be at all surprised if you lot have a New big drama on the rails and trump has slipped into anonymity. This whole media circus around him is simply just that, a huge distraction to take people's attention away from the real issue, the fact that the US is bankrupt and sliding into a massive depression.

    [–]fediverseshill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    "did Biden and Trump steal the election from the American People?"

    IDK, I think youre placing blame where it shant be, and youre naming the wrong people, without obama's interference, and pete buttgeg claiming a fake victory, and buying the app company that does the counting (or whatever) the DNC and dems stole the election, which would have probably gone to Bernie, instead of the decrepit old child groper.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The last time I checked: the Democrats nominated Biden. IDK who you think they nominated, but that's who they nominated. Bernie would've won if they didn't steal the primary.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    It's a technique for fabricating common sense. When something wrong, yet is said much more often than the truth, this wrong becomes the new common sense. And the majority believes in it. To save energy. So they can focus on their personal matters.

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    How about:

    In a country where police can murder with no repercussions and seize assets at their leisure; protests can last for months, bringing violence, but still be completely ignored in terms of meaningful change by the government; and the President can spend all day tweeting lies and inciting civil war, why is it so far fetched to think that the majority of Americans were indeed fed up with Trump's constant bullshit and abject failure to govern?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    You say a bunch of common sense stuff only it isn't so common.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

    Because one candidate had tens of thousands trying to get into his rallies, and the other averaged about 13 people.

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Because one candidate has followers who won't believe in a virus until they themselves get it.

    But also, "we have a cult" isn't real reasoning anyway.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    You think people don't know about 'colds' and the flu?

    [–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Its much deadlier then the flu. Its already killed my uncle and one of my former co workers.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    The flu kills tens of thousands annually in the US. For the Cohen-19, they're having to include all the flu deaths, deaths by gunshot, heart attack, car crash victims, and whatever they can get away with.

    But feel free to believe in the hoax if you like. It will just accelerate the collapse of this corrupt society all the faster.

    [–]fishbox 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    you dipshits are going to be the first to go and I am glad.

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Cope

    [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Ahh yes...hospitals all across the world are conspiring! Of course! It's a much simpler explanation than a virus -- have you ever SEEN a virus? Or "germs"?

    To conservatives, threats must have agency or they simply don't exist. 🤷‍♂️

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Me no take the fake vaccine

    [–]fishbox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    seriously, this covid shit has been happening for a year and they still don't understand it. At least its mostly killing them, to bad they have to spread it to people who actually do their part for their country.

    [–]madcow-5 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    It’s not at all far fetched, about half the country thinks they were, and of the half that claims they don’t think so, half of them believe their last two presidential primaries were.

    [–]Intuit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Honest answer.

    click to see answer

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      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      ?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Rigged by how much?

      The factors you mention are not equivalent, and comparisons like that from right-wing media funded conspiracy "news" media is called: false equivalence

      The answer is more complicated. Some rigging probably happens. 5 million votes? No.

      [–]Node 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Exactly. More like 30 million.

      [–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The election is only "rigged" in the fact that it is a game. A game where one group wins and one group loses. What they really don't want us talking about is the two groups are not Democrats or Republicans, it's not conservative or liberal, it's the rich is the poor. It's the status quo vs change or revolution,even if it's in the way we think. It's a class war. The have against the have not. So yes the election is rigged. It's rigged on the sense that it DOES NOT MATTER WHO WINS BECAUSE THEY ALL PLAY FOR THE SAME TEAM. Once we start realizing that and drop this savior complex the better. These people, the elite, the political establishment, etc., w.e you want to call them, are not our friends. They are not friends of the common people. So yes again the election is rigged and so has every other election that has only presented two candidates and no option for a voter to abstain from the process while indicating that they did not agree with the legitimacy of the process itself. We've been duped into thinking the election was rigged for canidadate A or B when really it's rigged for team A, which encompasses canidadate A and B both,and team B, which is us the common folk. You see the game?

      [–]fishbox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Neither Facebook or twitter where in charge of the elections.