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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If it weren’t a closed system, that would mean scientifically there is something outside of it as an energy source. Energy is not conserved if it were an open system.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Correct. So what is your reason to make this assumption ? I'm curious.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It’s what atheists typically assert. Reductio ad absurdum mostly. They will not recognize that something not physical or greater than the universe exists.

If the universe were a closed system, it could not be eternal, due to the laws of thermodynamics.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I thought we had long established the plausibility of the multiverse, that big bang's could well be occurring frequently beyond our mere known universe? Ours is only a few billion years old after all.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Does this multiverse thing follow the laws of physics? If so, just call the universe bigger and apply the same logic. If not, you’re just positing things to avoid aknowledging a higher power.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's typical too of a theist as well as an atheist to limit themselves to what can be seen. Our small planet in a modest solar system on the edge of an average galaxy is sat within the universe as we know it, but this is only what we can comprehend. M-theory has proposed 10 or 11 spacial dimensions and could explain the existence of an infinite number of multiverses existing simultaneously, they may even exist with different laws of physics to that which we currently understand. If anything, this would make it even less likely that there be a higher power at play, and more likely that our knowledge is merely inferior due to our limitations of dimensional perception. For all we know, the universe is just one neuron of the brain in an enormous space goat, and the higher power you speak of is that very goat.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If infinite universes exist we have just as much evidence that we exist in the universe that has no multiverse.

Seriously you’re answering the fact that the laws of physics shows God is a likely explanation by positing that we actually exist in a system that has no known laws.

There is a difference between a hypothesis and a theory, btw.