Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just because you don't like the implications of this particular pattern doesn't mean you can just pretend that the pattern doesn't exist.

I'm not. I'm pointing out that as our civilizations progresses we will inevitably keep opening up these Pandora's boxes. There's no way around it. But at least it answers the Fermi Paradox.

but none of them are as powerful a force as race.

Nah, more powerful is racist Democrat policies implemented for decades. But I guess we beg to differ.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all finding patterns IS intelligence. The idea that finding a valid pattern is somehow a mistake is wrong. Just because you don't like the implications of this particular pattern doesn't mean you can just pretend that the pattern doesn't exist. That makes you ignorant. Others who are less ignorant will have an advantage over you.

If the woke ideology were anything but retarded it wouldn't have to be enforced with violence. People who hired using false assumptions would suffer for it, and those who didn't would out-compete them naturally. This competition can't be allowed to play out because in reality the all white, or even better the companies that hired based on IQ scores, would clearly win and prove that racial differences matter.

Literally anyone who has any doubt can spend a day going from neighborhood to neighborhood with different demographics. This works really well in Chicago where we have lots of natural segregation. There are lots of Mexican majority neighborhoods, they are all very similar to each other, and they are all different from the black majority neighborhoods and the black majority neighborhoods are all very similar to each other.

The differences correlate far far more to race than to income. There are other factors like income that make differences, but none of them are as powerful a force as race.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

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How else would you classify human races?

Thanks for providing an example of how this was the biggest mistake in the history of science.

You see it's how we think about it. We can't escape this way of thinking of dividing people up.

When reading roman history you'll realize that they were a true melting pot. They had territories with whites, browns, Arabs and blacks. It didn't much matter though. It was citizen or not citizen (or slave). The German tribes on the northern borders refereed to them as mongrels - which I guess there were actually!

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't. What exactly are you reading into what I wrote? How else would you classify human races? We can obviously interbreed, yet we clearly have different group characteristics. "breeds" was already taken. I don't see any problem with inventing the term race to distinguish us from animals.

There are a lot of stupid things that have come from racism, intersectionality, and wokeness. But I don't think any of those things originate from, or are contingent on classification.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

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Thanks for providing an example of how this was the biggest mistake in the history of science.

[medicine] Diagnosing Parkinson's disease with skin samples could lead to earlier detection by ABlueSkilttle in science

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I'm literally shaking with excitement.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Human races are no different than dog breeds. The biggest mistake is not systematically improving humanity through selective breeding, or programs that encourage desirable traits to proliferate. High scoring teens should be encouraged and funded to start families before going off to college. Free childcare, a stipend, free college.

It's fucking insane how we are literally watching our societies crumble under regressive forces and we do nothing about it.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fuck does this have to do with eugenics? Did I even imply it? You don't actually seem to be reading what I write, you're just poisoning the well.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

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Look I get it that we got the enlightenment and we also got eugenics from people like you. It's always a trade-off.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What do you think I did not address? I am directly rejecting their rejection of classification and their elitist sense of morality driving it. I couldn't care less what anthropologists incorrectly think. A morphological correlation to ancestry is biology. That 80 or 90% of a bunch of educated ignorant pearl clutchers think otherwise is not an "underlying issue".

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fine. But you're not addressing the underlying issue the author discusses.

Opinion: Classification of humans into races 'the biggest mistake in the history of science' by sproketboy in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that "science" is responsible for classifications of people is the height of arrogance and presumption. People, naturally, categorize others differently from themselves where they feel it relevant. It cannot be denied that morphological trends and differences exist due to local adaptations and population drifts, and the fact these are fuzzy categories subject to different levels of specificity is not an argument for their invalidity. If I want to describe someone I do not know, their appearance is of utmost importance, and my being able to describe them as "East Asian" or "West Asian", or "Black", or "Latino", is useful.

You will note in this same opinion piece they endeavor to suggest that, because the categories are fuzzy, they somehow don't truly exist. However, this is not relevant. Species do not truly exist, they're an abstraction created by human delineation, but nobody is seeking to eliminate species classification. The question is how useful those categories are, to us, to ourselves, exclusively, and that they describe something about reality to be useful. The fact is race, at least in the United States, is exactly just that useful broad geographic correlation to morphology and ancestry, and is in no way "not real" simply because the categories are fuzzy due to population admixture.

I am wholly opposed to this elitist top-down reformation attempt to eliminate utility in language, simply because people in ivory towers have "concerns". That's really what this is. Elitist moral fragility over "concerns" of what you, the poor uneducated masses, would do given the freedom to think the "bad things" they don't like. What next? I cannot describe people as "tall" or "short" because there are gradients of tallness and shortness?

An earlier universe existed before the Big Bang, and can still be observed today, says Nobel winner by Vigte in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

God that article is shit. It doesn't even link to the fucking paper and just makes it seems like it's one guy talking out of his ass, instead of something based on observational evidence. Fuck journalists. In future, please post higher quality sources. Yahoo news is not one of them.

It's also old news. This was published back in March in current version. Originally published back in 2018.

An earlier universe existed before the Big Bang, and can still be observed today, says Nobel winner by Vigte in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The hell does predicting a chaotic system have to do with observing cosmic background radiation or light from distant sources? What's pure bullshit here is your irrational approach to evaluating truth claims.

An earlier universe existed before the Big Bang, and can still be observed today, says Nobel winner by Vigte in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How does this tripe pass as science? Our mainstream scientific theories can't even explain the phenomenon that happen on the sun, but we're expected to believe they know what happened over 13 billion years ago, based on those same theories. Pure bullshit.

Fecal Microbiota Transplant is Highly Effective in Real-World Practice: Initial Results from the FMT National Registry (Oct 2020) 222 completed 1 month follow-up, 123 6 month. All for CDI. 90% cured at 1mo. ~96% used stool bank. 4% recurrence after 6mo. New diagnosis of IBS and IBD occurred in 4 pts by Pis-dur in science

[–]Enza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m seeing more and more medical research being done on APA.org on gut health, and bacteria, and how important it is. A few years ago, the medical community even scoffed and laughed at a link between the gut and mental illnesses (calling it holistic nonsense), and now it’s recognized and referred to as the “gut-brain connection” in studies and medical literature. Sometimes even the “second brain”.

It may seem depressing, but not only is it interesting, but it’s a good sign that the medical community is now taking this whole area of study seriously and everything that it (the “gut”) could possibly relate to and affect.

Fecal Microbiota Transplant is Highly Effective in Real-World Practice: Initial Results from the FMT National Registry (Oct 2020) 222 completed 1 month follow-up, 123 6 month. All for CDI. 90% cured at 1mo. ~96% used stool bank. 4% recurrence after 6mo. New diagnosis of IBS and IBD occurred in 4 pts by Pis-dur in science

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Doctors are too busy classifying every illness as autoimmune so they can tell patients is a lifestyle and stress problem so go away and don't bother them.

Fecal Microbiota Transplant is Highly Effective in Real-World Practice: Initial Results from the FMT National Registry (Oct 2020) 222 completed 1 month follow-up, 123 6 month. All for CDI. 90% cured at 1mo. ~96% used stool bank. 4% recurrence after 6mo. New diagnosis of IBS and IBD occurred in 4 pts by Pis-dur in science

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It's really astonishing to me that IBS, IBD, Crohn's, etc, could've simply been treated by transplanting intestinal bacteria from healthy patients. Also really depressing, due to how many people suffer from these conditions, and for how long, and with such horrible social and health complications. And the costs. All over something so simple.

What is a neutron and its charge? Discovery and mass of a neutron? by sanojb732 in science

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please comment

What is Science Simple definition | Branches of science by sanojb732 in science

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please see and comment

What is an electron? | Mass and charge of an electron by sanojb732 in science

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Detail About Electron

What is a proton and its charge? Discovery and mass of a proton by sanojb732 in science

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Research study reveals why unhealthy eating habits are an indicator of inadequate sleep by zabaru in science

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Traditional Jewish Sexual Practices and Their Possible Impact on Jewish Fertility and Demography* | Harvard Theological Review | Cambridge Core by Sw0rdofDam0cles in science

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I fkn love this board. Now i gotta find this paper somewhere for free.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

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In Bavaria they use these lists made in restaurants which all guests have to fill out to follow up on crimes or suspects...

Which lists? When was such law introduced? Could you link any source, cause I can't find? May be German, I will use translator.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure what exactly you are writing about but they use these laws like this since about july for these kind of "out-of-specific-order" applications as far as i read into it.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Bavaria they use these lists made in restaurants which all guests have to fill out to follow up on crimes or suspects that have nothing to do with coronavirus.

This is a giant data thrift clusterfuck from a German point of view, because their prime minister thinks he can implement laws like Hitler did in these times.

Their police doesn't call itself gestapo but since 2020 it surely behaves like it on his orders.

39,000-year-old cave bear is discovered perfectly preserved in Siberia | "It is completely preserved, with all internal organs in place." Until now, only bones have been found of cave bears, a prehistoric species or subspecies that lived in Eurasia from around 300,000 to 15,000 years ago by Pis-dur in science

[–]StaresBlankly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why the fuck did they have to say "perfectly" preserved? They couldn't have just said "well-preserved" or just "preserved"?

Internet searches on gastrointestinal symptoms predicted a rise in Covid-19 cases weeks later, researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital found, demonstrating a novel early warning system for hot spots of the pandemic disease. by Pis-dur in science

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So maybe covid 19 isn't actually asymptotic for a week, it's just the symptoms are different. That's why it can spread during that time. So hand washing was the main protection needed after all.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

[–]Pis-dur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fat people are also more likely to eat out.

Citation needed.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also fat people are more likely experience covid symptoms if they get it. If you have symptoms you are more likely to go for a test. Fat people are also more likely to eat out.

Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results. by Pis-dur in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you trust anything from the cdc at this point I truly pity you.

What Happens When You Don’t Shower For Five Years by [deleted] in science

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Interesting article but I am not buying what he is selling, literally and figuratively.

Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children’s hearts; 'immense inflammation’ causing cardiac blood vessel dilation by Pis-dur in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not buying it, now fuck off.

Gut microbiome composition is associated with age and memory performance in pet dogs by Pis-dur in science

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Gut microbiome is so important to so many things, it turns out. Digestion is where all your nutrients and energy comes from, after all! Also 90% of the cells in our body are bacteria, so it's important to balance the types and quantities of bacteria, because without them digestion doesn't work

Warrior skeletons reveal Bronze Age Europeans couldn’t drink milk by [deleted] in science

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK, so producing the enzyme to digest lactose isn't the only way to deal with it.

Many people have gut bacteria which produce enzymes to digest it for them, which is why some people with lactose intolerance can get some tolerance if they introduce it slowly. The other obvious way is to process the milk into things like yogurt or cheese where the bacteria digest the sugar.

Also the majority of children can digest lactose so cows milk would still be useful in weaning kids early, which is the main use of it outside of Europe. Breastfeeding has a slight contraceptive effect so by stopping women breastfeeding you can have them popping out one kid a year until they die, which then creates loads of free labour for your farm.

Lactose tolerance must have evolved relatively slowly because its spread isn't even complete. Scandinavian counties which are highly dairy focused still have up to 5% lactose intolerance which is a lot of people who have trouble digesting what would have been the main protein source for most of their history. The UK, again massively dairy focused, is even higher at 15% and they didn't even have yogurt until the 1970s. That's a lot of sick people who've had to put up with milk since the bronze age.

Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh sure, just eliminate influenza. That's totally on the table. And what about, oh I don't know, eliminating polio by ensuring it cannot spread? By vaccinating, you eliminate entirely. This post manages to be ignorant about both points and wholly ignorant of anything to do with virology at the same time. Astounding.

Gravity is the Universe’s Problem Child by TheHappyNeuron in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If scientists were willing to consider the effects of the electromagnetic force then this problem would go away immediately. Unfortunately dogmatic belief prevents them from doing so. They keep telling us about the magnetic fields that surround every single object in space, from planets to galaxy super clusters, and then completely ignore them for every single calculation.

Development of COVID-19 vaccine AZD1222 expands into US Phase III clinical trial across all adult age groups by Pis-dur in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh, no? This is a modified defective influenza virus vaccine. If your child was going to be so severely immunocompromised that a flu vaccine would kill it, it should be living in a bubble. Where do you get this crap?

Development of COVID-19 vaccine AZD1222 expands into US Phase III clinical trial across all adult age groups by Pis-dur in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because it will still kill hundreds of thousands of children. The dosage they will give will kill millions.

Development of COVID-19 vaccine AZD1222 expands into US Phase III clinical trial across all adult age groups by Pis-dur in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And a defective virus vaccine properly dosed for children would be bad beeecaaauuuuse....?

Being selfish [or kind] doesn't get you ahead by ABlueSkilttle in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No news there. Otherwise i'd travel with lightspeed.

Being selfish [or kind] doesn't get you ahead by ABlueSkilttle in science

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While the main article primarily emphasizes that disagreeableness doesn't advantage you beyond other participants, another worthwhile takeaway is that agreeableness didn't either. People get promoted at approximately the same rate no matter what, with no filtering apparently given at all to how piss poor someone is at managing other people. Something I'm sure everyone with a real job has long since already learned.

Development of COVID-19 vaccine AZD1222 expands into US Phase III clinical trial across all adult age groups by Pis-dur in science

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Notice how there will be no tests at all involving children, but they are going to require it for all children to go to school, which is mandatory.

If you give this vaccine to your children, you are a child abuser. If I know you gave it to your child, I will treat you as the child abuser that you are.

What Happens When You Don’t Shower For Five Years by [deleted] in science

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holly fuck what a waste of time. That is nothing but an add for his book. He writes nothing of value. This does not belong in /science.

Italian Study Finds Risk of Death 30% Lower for COVID-19 Patients Treated With Hydroxychloroquine (25 August 2020) by rty in science

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only 30% lower? It should be near 90% What did they do wrong?

How I entered the matrix through the red and blue #fakesciencenews and came out purple. by [deleted] in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most scientists are secretly purple personalities anyway in the first place. Proof : https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types#analysts . :)

Early human societies were egalitarian – male dominance emerges only with agriculture and more resources by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The answer, as with everything, is a constant "it depends". This "Male dominance" myth is perpetuated by consistently ignoring division of labor and division of privileges, and often focusing only on the uppermost of human societies. As men are the ones who fight the wars or battles, obviously it then stands to reason it will be the men deciding who they fight, why, and where. So it isn't necessarily agriculture, but war, and trade, that end up with male leaders in societies.

That a very few, often very rich, men end up in positions of ultimate authority more frequently than women is not evidence of some "male dominance" as a whole - and this is where the myth breaks down. At most points of human society any woman married to such a man could have any other man killed, any hundreds of men. Men, in general, did not have this mythical "male dominance". Only a tiny fraction of a percent of men, and very often only in certain areas or circumstances. The sole major exception to something like this is a very narrow band of religions, particularly Abrahamic religions.

‘Electric mud’ teems with new, mysterious bacteria by D0z in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not new, but really cool. Electric bacteria have been found practically everywhere since this. Some of them have been found to be able to survive entirely on electricity.

New gene therapy approach eliminates at least 90% latent herpes simplex virus 1 by ABlueSkilttle in science

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It isn't quite like modifying your own genes. It's a modified virus that attacks specific cells, so in a sense the "gene therapy" was in modifying the virus and to then insert two breaks in HSV-1's DNA that causes it to fall apart.

Think of it like injecting you with an "infection" that only attacks another infection you don't want. A lot of progress is already being made in this regard with respect to various cancer cells. Of course safety will be paramount in approval. I've no doubt one of the requirements will necessarily be that the deactivated virus have both a very short lifespan, and readily killed with additional injections. Perhaps some kind of trigger could be developed that, when encountering an otherwise harmless tracer chemical or some other safe thing, causes the virus to reliably self-destruct.

New gene therapy approach eliminates at least 90% latent herpes simplex virus 1 by ABlueSkilttle in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll take the cold sore over gene therapy every single time.

Unlimited Resources From Space – Asteroid Mining by lawuigi in science

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I really want to see stuff like this develop in my lifetime since I want to visit a space station before I die.

NASA Is Tracking a Vast, Growing Anomaly in Earth's Magnetic Field by [deleted] in science

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I read a theory that it will flip its direction in this century after breaking completely down. But i can't find the source any more.

New gene therapy approach eliminates at least 90% latent herpes simplex virus 1 by ABlueSkilttle in science

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Caveats here, of course, and it's a big one: This is an in-vitro study, not in-vivo. That is, in a "test tube" (cell cultures), not in a living subject. What this outlines is a possible method that perhaps an engineered retrovirus in future might use to target HSV-1 (oral herpes, responsible for "cold sores"), or other methods unspecified and likely unknown to me.

This would be huge if such a thing could be employed, however, due to all manner of medical and health correlations or complications. Immunocompromised individuals can greatly suffer from otherwise benign HSV-1, rare brain or eye infections, and increased dementia risk. There are also other correlations (note, just correlations) of potential increased risks for other illness or complications from HSV-1. These, if HSV-1 could be eliminated or greatly reduced, would be a huge improvement to a wide array of potential complications.

Of course, it may also in future prove to be effective against HSV-2 and HSV-3. One can only hope.

[Psychology] Desire to be in a group leads to harsher judgment of others (Not politics) by ABlueSkilttle in science

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TL;DR : There are "loners" out there who just don't give a fuck about groups and their so called "leaders" .

I sometimes secretly giggle about them when they're all simulating to be such good "friends" and "liking" each other.

Like a snake does when looking at chimps.

[Psychology] Desire to be in a group leads to harsher judgment of others (Not politics) by ABlueSkilttle in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Uh. What?

[Psychology] Desire to be in a group leads to harsher judgment of others (Not politics) by ABlueSkilttle in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It follows very easy from this one why snakes are called snakes and they usually don't get into groups for any superflous sheeple or herding dog bs like smalltalk or simulating relationships that aren't real.

Only for mating usually.

Old knowledge but nice to have here any ways.

[Psychology] Desire to be in a group leads to harsher judgment of others (Not politics) by ABlueSkilttle in science

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If such a finding is generalizable, probably an extension of familial nepotism to group dynamics. Greater desire for nepotism the greater the unfairness toward perceived outgroup behavior. Though as other research shows, greater perceived risk or danger from outgroups greatly enhances ingroup preference and behavior.

It would be interesting if someone bothered to actually make assessment and control for perceived stress or perceived threat. Perhaps the people who did not desire strong group affiliation simply felt least threatened by others? Perhaps lower neuroticism?

Unlimited Resources From Space – Asteroid Mining by lawuigi in science

[–]ElifromtheBook 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nice oldschool idea. In fact i'd be a belter myself, if i could. Maybe the asteroids actually are our final frontier.

[Neurology] Neurochemistry of getting and staying motivated by ABlueSkilttle in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Couple of very interesting tidbits here that might helpfully improve our futures. For one, it might help target medications for certain features of depression long term, such as destruction of ability to feel motivation. In particular as a side-effect of some antidepressants, a long term reduction of glutamate is observed, which may either require modifying current antidepressants or supplementing them to consider this kind of finding.

Some additional considerations is that this further supports ketamine as helpful for a lot of people experiencing low motivation. Ketamine, as suggested here, is a "rapid acting" sort of antidepressant that acts on glutamate. So the mechanism would directly be in probably improving innate motivations by increasing the amount of free glutamate in the brain. As the review states about 1/3rd of participants generally do not improve with any antidepressant, but Ketamine and glutamate regulation shows considerable and rapid effect for even treatment resistant people. As this neurology study might demonstrate, this may be due to long term inhibition of the function of glutamate by other antidepressants.

Finally, competition was the primary motivating factor in action. Of course this is on healthy participants. Perhaps - and this would be interesting - in some sense parts of depression could be facilitated by a lacking of fair and interesting social competition for people. A primary motivating factor in many for seeking pleasure in gaming, in lieu of other aspects of life, could be a direct response to a perceived or real lack of success or ability to succeed in real life, leading to a lack of motivation to pursue things in real life.

I certainly hope we soon have more research on this and, if it's anything like my guesses here, regulating glutamate might be the kind of long-term cure-all we all really need. Of course there are many worrying side-effects from recreational or high dose users you can review here, and probably in future other alternatives that have fewer risk of allergic reaction and CNS symptoms (low/high BP, etc) can be developed.

As a final note, there are glutamate antagonists used for parkinson's. There are interesting neurological overlaps with parkinson's and depression, with early expression of the illness also exhibiting as depression. Low doses of antagonists for parkinson's may in future prove effective if modified for the purpose of treating motivation effects of depression. As some studies in 2012 and later have suggested.

The Relativity of Wrong by Isaac Asimov by lawuigi in science

[–]lawuigi[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is one of the best essays written that explains scientific progress and how humanity has developed its understanding of the universe.

Yale scientists restore cellular function in 32 dead pig brains. by [deleted] in science

[–]aetartangea 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hopefully these fucking necromancers will be eaten by whatever abominations they foolishly create, before they get the chance to unleash them on the rest of us.

Yale scientists restore cellular function in 32 dead pig brains. by [deleted] in science

[–]book-of-saturday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and so it begins... pig zombie apocalypse

Nasa to change 'harmful' and insensitive' planet and galaxy nicknames by [deleted] in science

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely everyone involved should be fired immediately.

Nikola Tesla Proved It Was Possible. Now Wireless Electricity Is a Reality. by [deleted] in science

[–]peety 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, and that was just one invention of his not financed because money couldn't be easily made from it. when i try to imagine any others, brain.exe fry

Elevated rates of autism, other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric diagnoses, and autistic traits in transgender and gender-diverse individuals [Nature] by zyxzevn in science

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I'm autistic. It turns my stomach to see the word "transpie" (That's trans + aspie (aspergers)). I don't think that autistic people should be encouraged to transition. They just have a different brain and dont fit into the same societal boxes. That doesn't mean they should have their bodies mutilated and force themselves into a role they literally were not born to play.

Also, there's a push within the autistic community to use a rainbow infinity as a symbol. Rainbow already means LGBT. If you make it also mean autism, young people will be lead to believe that they must be LGBT as well. It's like they don't get how manipulating that is. Of course they don't, they're autistic.

Ugh. The more I learn about both transgenderism and autism, the more fucked up it gets.

Nasa to change 'harmful' and insensitive' planet and galaxy nicknames by [deleted] in science

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would love to see/hear the chain link of orders coming to all these organizations and private businesses to do this woke shit. How many jews are actually deploying the puppet mode.

Nasa to change 'harmful' and insensitive' planet and galaxy nicknames by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And so the euphemism treadmill continues as mankind continues to learn nothing from the past. What is offensive is subjective. What offends one person will not offend another. It'll just keep happening, over and over again, wasting everybody's time.

Elevated rates of autism, other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric diagnoses, and autistic traits in transgender and gender-diverse individuals [Nature] by zyxzevn in science

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Given that gender dysphoria is literally a mental illness, it comes as no surprise that other mental illnesses crop up more frequently among people touched by this one. And versa-vice.

Elevated rates of autism, other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric diagnoses, and autistic traits in transgender and gender-diverse individuals [Nature] by zyxzevn in science

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I always heard that autistic people were also more likely to be LGBTQ+. I guess the same is also true the other way.

(Disclaimer: only read the headline)

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, right. Have a good day.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've brought medical data to the table to explain my argument, and you've deliberately ignored it.

Pointing out high clinical doses of an element are not equivalent nor relevant to trace metals is a direct refutation. Not "ignoring it". Again, this is like saying water or oxygen are dangerous and lethal. Yes -- in high amounts. Now you're just throwing a tantrum.

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[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've brought medical data to the table to explain my argument, and you've deliberately ignored it. I'm not interested in continuing an argument on the validity of adding that particular substance to the water supply, not with someone who seemingly just wants to dismiss everything. Tip your fedora harder and I guess I'll laugh at the UK from here, where we have plenty of other shit added to our food equally as toxic.

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[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So rather than actually endeavor to think about what I'm saying, and examine why what you are replying with doesn't constitute an argument (a good one anyway), you'd rather retreat and dismiss criticism to preserve your faith. Might I remind you, the purpose of saidit is for discussion. Digging in your heels does not belong here.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep telling yourself whatever you would like. Whatever helps you sleep at night, afterall.

I don't trust anyone putting anything unnecessary into the water supply. I'll agree to disagree with you but you're not going to change my mind.

Elevated rates of autism, other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric diagnoses, and autistic traits in transgender and gender-diverse individuals [Nature] by zyxzevn in science

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First, across all five datasets, transgender and gender-diverse individuals were 3.03 to 6.36 times as likely to be autistic than were cisgender individuals, after controlling for age and educational attainment. Second, transgender and gender-diverse individuals scored significantly higher on self-report measures of autistic traits, systemizing and sensory sensitivity and scored significantly lower on empathy traits compared to cisgender individuals. Third, in two datasets with available data, transgender and gender-diverse individuals had elevated rates of multiple other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric conditions. Finally, exploratory analysis identified that transgender and gender-diverse individuals were more likely to report that they suspected they had undiagnosed autism.

Well, that's concerning. I certainly don't believe in this "opposite brain" nonsense when the same researcher who initially published it later found it wasn't true by accounting for sexuality. Most likely these kinds are predatory, see also "pink pillers", and autistic people or people with insecure identities are most likely and most easily taken up by uprooting their ideas of themselves. It's not a stretch, after all, if you already feel yourself completely isolated or disjoined from human society. Just some guesses on my part.

What I sincerely wish to find or get would be something like this, but more broadly considering personality disorders in conjunction with developmental or psychiatric conditions. But this is a start.

Ancient part of immune system may underpin severe COVID by ABlueSkilttle in science

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Among 11,000 COVID patients who came to Columbia University Irving Medical Center with suspected COVID-19, the researchers found that over 25% of those with age-related macular degeneration died, compared to the average mortality rate of 8.5%, and roughly 20% required intubation. The greater mortality and intubation rates could not be explained by differences in the age or sex of the patients.

This is actually quite a very large increase in mortality and complications. I think the largest one I've seen discovered yet. Certainly something to be aware of. The gene is of course most active in people with obesity which, among everything ELSE obesity screws up, makes this screwup compoundingly bad.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

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Fluoride is already being pumped in drinking water to pacify you. Why not lithium? It does work. In fact there's a town in Oregon where you can drink lithium loaded water out of the fountain. A glass of that and you're surprisingly calm and collected.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you don't have an argument then? Okay. Thought not.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]tseug 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Your sole argument is the mass media has been pushing this message for a few years. You're simply parroting the propaganda like a paid puppet. See also, getting a mind of your own.

Carbon Dioxide - Tiny amounts of this miracle molecule make life on Earth possible by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Forgive me if I don't think a "think tank" that claims opinion articles without scholarly citations are "research" is going to tell me anything useful or interesting. In fact, hilariously, their own "research" section violates their own description of what it ought to be.

Anyway, the Earth is what is known as a "complex system". In a complex system, changing variables does not result in a 1:1 relationship, in fact can result in the opposite one. The fact is there's no way to know whether adding more or something, or removing something, will be "good" or "bad" for we humans in a lot of cases. At least, as concerns global ecology. Many attempts have generally been made to modify local ecologies and quite a lot of them resulted in total disaster, with little underlying theory that reliably predicts the outcomes.

That being said, yes, CO2 is not necessarily going to kill everyone. But too much of anything, too quickly, and with no time for biology to adjust, is a perfect recipe for disaster.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Argument: "a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong."

That you don't understand my argument doesn't make it not one. Diverting from the argument with aspersions and conspiratorial thinking is not addressing it, either. Point is, lithium may be among the necessary metals and things we ought to add back into water. See also, the article we're discussing.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]tseug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"It has been a long running theme that stripping micronutrients and metals away from drinking water may, in fact, have been a bad thing."

That's not an argument. There's been many long running themes from the propaganda outlets. "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth". You're so conditioned, you've become an agent of the government. Start questioning things.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You lack any coherent argument for defending the drugging of the water supply.

"It has been a long running theme that stripping micronutrients and metals away from drinking water may, in fact, have been a bad thing."

You said yourself you don't even know what good it would do.

False. Based on this research it might reduce suicides. I only pointed out it's a correlation that needs more studying, but is in line with other research suggesting we have made our drinking water too sterile.

Let's look at some of the side effects: * Confusion, poor memory, or lack of awareness * fainting * fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse * frequent urination * increased thirst * slow heartbeat * stiffness of the arms or legs * troubled breathing (especially during hard work or exercise) * unusual tiredness or weakness * weight gain

In clinical dosages, not naturally occurring trace elements. Next you'll say stop breathing oxygen bad.

Want to try again? Because lying about what I said, by apparently not reading what I said, isn't working for you.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]tseug 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Your inability to defend your ideas is not welcome here

You lack any coherent argument for defending the drugging of the water supply.

If it had a beneficial effect I fail to see what the problem is.

You said yourself you don't even know what good it would do.

Lithium toxicity is closely related to serum lithium levels, and can occur at doses close to therapeutic levels.

Let's look at some of the side effects: * Confusion, poor memory, or lack of awareness * fainting * fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse * frequent urination * increased thirst * slow heartbeat * stiffness of the arms or legs * troubled breathing (especially during hard work or exercise) * unusual tiredness or weakness * weight gain

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I direct you to this page: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/37r/welcome_to_saiditnet/

Specifically: "The following diagram is the core of how this website is administrated. People who are consistently dragging discussion down to lower levels of the pyramid are not welcome here". Your inability to defend your ideas is not welcome here.

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[–]tseug 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, a long theme running from the propaganda stream into your fluoride addled mind. Good luck with water++, moron.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. It has been a long running theme that stripping micronutrients and metals away from drinking water may, in fact, have been a bad thing. Overly filtered and sterile water is turning out to be a problem in a similar way, perhaps, or so the thinking goes. This would be nothing more than simply re-adding metals that ordinarily would already exist, and do exist, in other populations.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]tseug 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Forced medication good. Big brother knows best.

Scientists propose adding psychoactive drug to our water supplies by [deleted] in science

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're comparing trace amounts in groundwater to treatment amounts by clinicians. Apples to oranges. Next you'll start saying Oxygen is dangerous and we should all stop breathing. Do you get how ridiculous your concerns are yet, or do I need to keep belaboring the point?

I can't even begin to imagine the absurdities you must bend over backward to believe when you ignore the neurological effects of lithium in favor of an hilariously fragile terror of your poor testosterone being reduced. Don't be obese, get regular exercise, and don't take large clinical quantities of lithium. No, the testosterone reduction in older men from lithium is not responsible for the violence reduction.

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I have one more final addition here. This is a link to a pdf, so be forewarned.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/lithium/2017-ishii.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwijzMO154zrAhVrkeAKHZaTC24QFjALegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw2E4lk3nRjQaC9OwV1UeUgW

Therefore, at least in regards to suicide, relatively higher lithium levels (though much lower levels than therapeutic ones) may be associated with lower suicide rates. With regard to gender diferences, Table 1 shows that four stud- ies found a signifcantly inverse association with lithium levels in drinking water only in males (male response to trace lithium) whereas three studies found an association only in females (female response to trace lithium). There- fore, the gender diference efect is yet to be determined. Nonetheless, Kanehisa et al. (2017) investigated the lithium levels of 199 lithium therapy-naïve patients includ- ing 31 patients with suicide attempts, 21 patients with self- harm, and 147 control patients. There was a signifcant diference (p = 0.043) between the three groups, whereby patients with suicide attempts had signifcantly lower lith- ium levels than control patients (p = 0.012) in males but not females. This is consistent with male responses to trace lithium. Sher (2015) suggested one possibility that higher levels of lithium in drinking water decreases suicide rates among men by reducing impulsivity and aggression, and another possibility that lithium reduces suicidality in men by decreasing testosterone levels. Therefore, in our opin- ion, trace lithium may be efective for suicide prevention particularly in males as opposed to females. This should be investigated in randomized, placebo-controlled trials in the future.

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[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the article:

Studies have also associated trace amounts of Lithium in groundwater on the one hand and lower rates of violence and Alzheimer’s disease on the other (Schrauzer and Shrestha, 1990; Young, 2011, Mauer et al., 2014). However, the present article focuses primarily on Lithium’s potential suicide-prevention effects.

Ok, anything that has an effect on the human body that is added to their food or water intake can be considered supplementation. Evidently trace amounts lower the rate of violence. Does it not concern you as to why that's occuring?

https://www.igsli.org/general-information-on-lithium/adverse-effects-of-lithium-salts.html

Lithium can reduce testosterone levels, especially in older men. An increase in luteinizing hormone (LH) may indicate that Leydig cell function is impaired. Prolactin levels remain unchanged during lithium treatment. As of yet, the influence of lithium on female sex hormones has not been sufficiently studied.

There's your violence reduction. Your leydig cells are fucked by nature of exposure to all the shitty plastic softening agents that seep into everything consumed. Why can't we just have clean water instead and focus on pushing mental health care advocacy?

**edited to get to my point

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...Yes. You don't just blindly apply these things. Curiously excess iodine intake in Japan, for example in seaweed, is actively counteracted by other elements of diet that inhibit uptake of iodine. Cultural traditional foods have a tendency of, over long periods of time, adapting to be able to consume foods toxic or poison. But that's besides the point - the iodine in the water discussed are in levels far in excess of safety. Nobody is talking about that kind of thing for lithium, nor is it deliberate supplementation.

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[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm thrilled to have iodine, no argument there. However:

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2013127

It should be pushed in vitamin form or within fortified foods before pushed into the water supply. I'm also very pro-if someone wants to self-own, therapy should be offered along with treatment if necessary.

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[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think you understand what "trace amount" means. Given minimal mineral levels in a lot of drinking water, uh, none? Iodine did exceptionally more than just keep goiters and thyroid disorders at bay. It is singularly responsible for the one standard deviation increase in IQ recognized as the flynn effect. Chronically low iodine levels in diet were so pervasive throughout much of the country it was an epidemic, and plenty of people without overt thyroid conditions nonetheless exhibited mental retardation. Micronutrient supplementation in various sources is responsible largely for this.