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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I'd say technology is more culpable than capitalism in threatening mass extinctions, given that it created the atomic bomb and the machinery that's putting out all this CO2

[–]Snow[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Luddite??

https://static.secure.website/wscfus/299177/uploads/C2_source.gif

Okay than ,it should because by technology+capitalism.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Hah I see what you mean, but even non capitalist countries invented nuclear bombs and pollute with factories, so it's not something exclusive to capitalism

[–]Snow[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Smart point of view.

But we don't have a chance to see "what happen"if this world is not controlled by capitalism.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yeah we do, it's called the USSR

[–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I know USSR known for producing durable cars...not consumer goods.

I am not stood for any political party.

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The USSR made nuclear lakes! They're still hot today, and that's Communism. They also caused Chernobyl.

Fast forward to now, and oh, that's right, China is a communist nation, and look what they pollute.

Communism as a whole also wins on genocide.

Having said all that, I don't believe any of the commonly discussed forms of govt are anything more than creations by the families that have owned, and run almost everything for a very long time.

What rules all the commonly accepted, or acknowledged forms of govt in the world today? Feudal pieces of crap that literally think a title makes them more worthy than anyone else.

[–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I am not saying USSR don't ruin the environment.

Party A sucks doesn't mean Party B is better.But people always love to saying another party also suck to make themselves feel better.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But the point is you can't say "this is party A's fault" when it's both their fault.

That's what you're dong when you blame capitalism, when the culprit is capitalism+communism+other things. That's why I say technology is more to blame than any ideology

[–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't say I agree the quote ,I posted it for fun and I found it's a little silly.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, very true Snow. I believe it's all created, and I also believe that the empires of 'old', are still in control. The 'forms' they choose to control with, or by, don't matter as long as they keep getting most of the money.

I read somewhere else, you're Chinese, I don't know about in China, but suspect from what I read, that there are a lot of poor folks. Same thing in the States, and in every other country I've lived, or visited.

The astonishing thing though, abundance is everywhere, it's literally everywhere, yet it's usually a bank, or corporation that owns it.

These same people, preach to all of us globally, that we all must 'learn to do more with less, as they have more, and more'.

They tell us, the common people, globally, 'it's all our fault', everything it seems. Yet, it's those corporations, the banks, and the families behind them, that are the polluters on a mass scale.

There are solutions out there, paid for by the commoners via taxes, and yet none of these real world solutions are ever put into place.

You, and I, and all regular folks, at least by them, are viewed as slaves. I've heard common people referred to as 'pond scum'. Meaning, it's their proverbial pond, and we're just mucking it up.

[–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, very true Snow. I believe it's all created, and I also believe that the empires of 'old', are still in control. The 'forms' they choose to control with, or by, don't matter as long as they keep getting most of the money.

They are not control people by money, they control people by interpersonal relationship. Imagine all top bankers are your best friends.

I read somewhere else, you're Chinese, I don't know about in China, but suspect from what I read, that there are a lot of poor folks. Same thing in the States, and in every other country I've lived, or visited.

My national identity is a very complicated ...

[–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe any of the commonly discussed forms of govt are anything more than creations by the families that have owned, and run almost everything for a very long time.

I don't believe in any groups built by human in a long term.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

CO2 is life, of course.

Plants love that one simple molecule.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

O2 is life also, too much CO2 kills animals. It's all about balance

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

30,000ppm might kill some animals. You breathe out 30-40ppk. Doesn't start hurting until much higher.

300ppm is only double extinction levels.

Balance is something that is seriously missing from the current narrative

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fair enough. But they've found even slight increases in CO2 can affect brain function. So humanity could have an IQ meltdown as CO2 increases lol

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It certainly seems to have a wild effect on my liberal ex-friends. I'm going to have to ask for a source on your statement.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://thinkprogress.org/exclusive-elevated-co2-levels-directly-affect-human-cognition-new-harvard-study-shows-2748e7378941/

Even in a closed room with no ventilation at night, it can cause decreased brain function

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting study. Relevant to indoor spaces with poor ventilation, for sure.

I notice that they did not control for time based adaptation to the changed CO2 levels.

[–]UmamiTofu 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You could say the same thing about governments. Should we get rid of governments?

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Government IS the problem. The whole notion that a bunch of millionaires and billionaires in Washington DC know what's best for you is fucked right from the beginning.

[–]UmamiTofu 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK, how are you going to protect the environment if you don't have a government?

[–]sawboss 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

everyone wants clean water and air, and nobody likes litter. without government strangling the market there would be powerful incentives to develp affordable clean energy and to clean up any pollution.

[–]gooddeath 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know - when I look back at human history, it's actually quite tragic. What is technology but trying to escape the chains of nature? But then nature whips us back into her bitter enslavement, reminding us that we never really escape.

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    [–]Snow[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    (trollface)

    [–]Zizzle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    assuming anyone knows the age of Earth

    [–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    And I'd agree with you as well. Youtube has some great 'hidden history' channels; like 'Mystery History', or I believe it's called 'wind'; the evidence they present is amazing often; at least to myself.

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not sure you can blame the bubbles on the top of the wave for the erosion