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[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Tao Te Ching, Chapter 17

When the Master governs, the people

are hardly aware that he exists.

Next best is a leader who is loved.

Next, one who is feared.

The worst is one who is despised.

If you don't trust the people,

you make them untrustworthy.

The Master doesn't talk, he acts.

When his work is done,

the people say, "Amazing:

we did it, all by ourselves!"

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well quoted. I do believe that all deeds perpetrated by those running the farm, are advanced to the point to where any single definable 'point', such as 911, is always built with multiple ways to it, as well as multiple desired/expected results from it.

In so doing it makes it hard to even see what really happened; almost like how a few drops of oil effects calm water.

[–]Honklomancer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There is no free will

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Since the future is unknowable, there effectively is free will, even if just due to our ignorance

[–]Honklomancer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How does being an idiot give you free will?

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How doesn't it? If you can't see what's coming in the future, life appears as a choose-your-own-adventure book.

[–]TheAncientStruggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why people call free will an illusion a lot of the time.

[–]Honklomancer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That simply makes you unaware of your fate

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is that any functionally different from having free will? Plus you are assuming fate exists, which is unknown

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you a true will supporter? In many ways I agree with your statement; the inundation of technological media, or even that of the printed word, any of it, can change one's reasoning. The whole any given person claiming original thought, or 'free will'.

Just my opinion, but to gain a degree of free will, takes a lot of life experience, and self reflection. It's not necessarily the distance of the journey(long life), but the consciously acknowledged varieties inputted that aid in free will, or that of true will.