"Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense..." - Eugene Gladstone O'Neill [970x1000]

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[–]DegenerateFurfag69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What happens when facts don't work? What happens if a group isn't able to listen to reason?

You'd like Peter Boghossian's discussion of Street Epistemology in A Manual For Creating Atheists.

The point of debating a snake-oil salesman isn't to change his mind, it's to change the minds of the audience. Punching the snake-oil salesman doesn't do that. It makes the salesman look good--just look at all the videos where a protester freaks out at a street preacher.

[–]Zombi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh I totally agree that calls to violence only legitimize the victims of that violence. I'm merely asking what do you do against groups that completely disregard critical thinking and logic?

Take a look at flat earther's for example. We have MANY reasons and ways to prove the earth is a sphere, yet there they are. These people will never be convinced otherwise, neither will religious extremists. I'm merely putting forward that no, censorship in any way, in any time, in any place isn't exactly a bad thing because there are real world examples of censorship being necessary in some way.

This pertains strictly to groups that incite violence or oppression. If you want to believe the earth is flat, go right ahead. So long as you don't call for my beheading over it.