“The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.” ~ George Orwell

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

There's no proof there isn't a teapot orbiting Mars right now. You can't prove a negative.

Afterlife is wishful thinking. Why fear being turned off permanently? You didn't exist before you were born. Didn't hurt. Won't hurt after. Suffering is only for the living.

If you think ants have small brains, look at humans from 30,000 feet. There's no reason why we should possibly be able to fathom the entire Universe or even a fraction of it. Completely understanding nature is an admirable goal, but impossible. Adding on some "purpose" to it all is again, a limited human tendency.

IMO, /s/Buddhism and existentialism are better as they don't need to have spirits in the sky judging you, or excusing violence upon non-believers.

You can be an existentialist and appreciate the wonders of Nature and vast Universe without adding spirituality to it.

Look up the Epicurean paradox. You do yourself a disservice by crediting God with your own achievements. You are your own God.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Look up the Epicurean paradox. You do yourself a disservice by crediting God with your own achievements. You are your own God.

You're projecting your perception of the term "God" on to what I've said. You state that I credit a God separate from myself with my achievements. You've misunderstood me. There is no God separate from me, because I am included in God; I'm part of it. But then you say I am my own God. That construction leads in narcissistic directions. To say I am God suggests I have the capacity to comprehend/direct the entirety of reality. Really? That's way above my pay grade.

We could go back and forth on this all day because as I said, God is undefinable, and argument about it is just spitting in the wind. But there must be some satisfaction in batting it back and forth, or I suppose we wouldn't be spending this time doing so.

How about, "This is God." Or "We - everything that exists - are God." You like those better? But of course the infinity of things that we can imagine that don't exist are also God.

As to looking up the Epicurean paradox, it gets back into trying to define a structure to "make sense of it." Of one thing I am confident, each of our relationship to God (which includes myself, but I am not God, perhaps we might say we all are "of God") is unique. I understand God from crazy amounts of time explicitly coming to terms with this insane life we all share. While my experience includes lots of sources, no single source has any better knowledge of what God is / is not than do you or I. Each of our relationships to this source is unique, and to try to adopt the perspective of any other is only to confuse even more supremely what must always by nature remain an incomplete understanding.

We're trying to put an intellectual envelope on an experience. We might as well be trying to answer the question "What is the sound of the wind?"

But as I said before, I confess to loving these conversations, leading nowhere, enjoyable instead in and of themselves.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

If you're not using the "normal" uses of the word "God", then you're not talking about God. If you have overwhelming bliss and/or existential wonder at the Universe or Nature then you're not talking about God. Atheists can have that too. If you're talking about your own spirituality you're not talking about God. Whatever it is that you are having difficulty expressing is not God as everyone else knows it and you're just confusing yourself and others. I'm not saying you can't have those feelings or try to express yourself - or even say you can't use the word "God" (I won't censor) - but I think it's more than just problematic to bring "God" into it, for yourself and communicating it to others.

Fuck God. Be real, judge yourself, be firm but don't guilt yourself too much, as you are only human doing the best you can in the moment without your limitations. There is no authority over you and fuck anyone who says otherwise. Being a good person means not harming or deceiving and trying to help others. This is Natural Law, end of story.

Look up Marc Passio's lecture on Natural Law. Too long but too good.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Natural Law has more to do with eucatastrophe and hope than existential dread and denial. There are non-physical beings who interact with physical beings, and life doesn't end upon death, it is only the termination of your physical body. In nature, there are beings who humans have mistakingly referred to as being gods and spirits, but these words are bad, and there is rarely anything holy about these beings.

You can experience much of reality if you are willing to go through the necessary steps. Those steps must be in accordance with Natural Law, or else you won't really get anywhere. That's why most of our religions and sciences fail us so often with these big questions, and why most folks who really want to know something reach out to conspiracies and foreign belief systems.

Mark Passio does a good job explaining a lot of things, but he is a really angry guy and he also clearly puts a lot of importance on whatever he learned whilst a member of the Church of Satan even though he now speaks against the Church. Good reference, a friend of mine was introduced to the whole idea of Natural Law through Mark.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

eucatastrophe

Great word! TIL. My /s/BittersweetSeeds story doesn't shy away from a bad ending for the protagonist/martyr with a sort of happy ending with at least a questionable future for humanity (bittersweet).

Natural Law has more to do with eucatastrophe and hope than existential dread and denial.

I don't see it having to do with any of that. I just see it as a existential fact that we must cooperate as members of humanity and Natural Law is the fundamental foundations of coexisting. You simply cannot walk down the street if you fear getting stabbed in the neck, scammed, or lied to.

Further you don't need an authority in the sky or on Earth to tell you what you fundamentally know is true - unless you've been brainwashed with dogma to believe so.

Mark Passio does a good job explaining a lot of things, but he is a really angry guy and he also clearly puts a lot of importance on whatever he learned whilst a member of the Church of Satan even though he now speaks against the Church. Good reference, a friend of mine was introduced to the whole idea of Natural Law through Mark.

10,000%. Perfect summary. Saved.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bittersweet is a good way to describe true eucatastrophe anyways. What's funny is that every keyboard and computer I've had tries to tell me eucatastrophe isn't a word. Fuck em.

I agree concerning the authority bit. You are your own authority, and a society should be set up with that in mind. It's what actually happens in life anyways, people will take advantage of others who have no self-authority, and those who have some will simply live their lives as they see fit. I don't see why a society can't set itself up with that in mind.

It would make dealing with actually fucked up criminals a lot easier.