"That's funny, because when you say illegal immigrants, I think of you." Ponka-We Victors

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[–]djhdlkguhaeil 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

So we're all in agreement then? Illegal immigration is bad. Good.

[–]PatsyStone 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Why is she supporting even more immigration if she feels this way?

[–]djhdlkguhaeil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Because she's fat and retarded

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Trump's fat, but doesn't support illegal immigration.

[–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

jfc, it's embarrassing to see ANYONE calling Hispanics & Native Americans "illegal", on THEIR land

especially clueless redneck white folks with absolutely no self awareness

[–]djhdlkguhaeil 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The land belongs to america by right of conquest. Maybe if you weren't so shit at war it would still be yours. Stop trying to whinge it back you big girl.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Right by conquest?

How does that Jew-philosophy taste? Like kool-aid?

[–]Zapped 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's all relative.

https://www.newmexico.org/blog/post/the-story-of-the-clovis-people/

https://sciencevibe.com/2017/12/13/ice-age-mariners-came-from-europe-to-be-first-ancient-americans/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/earliest-south-american-migrants-had-australian-melanesian-ancestry

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3170959/Were-Aborigines-AMERICANS-Native-tribes-Amazon-closely-related-indigenous-Australians.html

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Relativity is good for perspective, but it does very little to help deal with direct issues.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

True, but if you grow perspective, it can assist with problem solving, or, it can reinforce emotional response. The choice is ours.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is, most people focus on reasons to push this topic aside. There is no perspective, no awareness of context. The choice has already been made by many. Ignore it and justify shitty behavior done either by the Natives (left) or the imperialists (right).

It's gross.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Human nature to dig in on first response, right?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah which half of hispanics is native to new york city? The Mayan half or the Iberian one? I call bullshit. These people aren’t Lenape. They are not Mohawk.

Am I a native to every fucking country where people once lived who are vaguely white? Cause if so the Turks can pack their fucking bags, Im coming home to Anatolia. Bitch get out and check your colonial privilege.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with both of you.

This lady has no foundation to speak from, unless she were to be very very careful, and she isn't.

But damn. Looking at the comments on this thread really drives the point home. America is the new Rome, and slaves taken to Rome didn't start calling themselves Roman. Some of the places conquered by Rome didn't wholly roll over and die, though some did. Why are so many people proud to be an American? The first Americans were mostly people who had been forced from their lands who then allowed for their enemies to trick them into forcing others from their lands.

If an intelligent Native with solid views on race and morality rose up to lead the people, I would join. Depending on their tribe of origin, they'd have the moral high ground.

I agree with you though. I don't have the right to simply kick out those who dwell in the lands of my ancestors. It's been many generations since all that jazz.

However, the damages are still felt today, which is why folks in America need to wake up to what happened. The dominoes are still falling. We should embolden the Natives, rather than laugh at them for being tricked and slain.

But really. Her Native ancestors would be disgusted at how fat she is.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lol. I seriously dont care how fat she is. But I do in fact sympathize with NAs. I really do. The current crop of them though are however significantly white, and they are basically beggars that live off gambling and government handouts. I understand why that happened. Their way of life, which was hunter gatherer, was destroyed. They evolved to be hunter gatherer. Genetically. They were not evolved to be good europeans.

The only ones that get attention are the ones that whine and beg really loud. I assume this chick makes a career out of that.

They will generally never have solid views on morality as you and I think of it, because their society had totally different values. They were more opportunistic in their life strategy, which made sense for them in that environment. I think they will continue to be opportunistic.

I read a study from the 1950s or so that compared whites’, natives’ and blacks’ performance on a personality test for psychopathy. Natives basically scored similar to blacks. A lot of psychopathic traits. I think it was done by the state of Minnesota or Wisconsin or one of those. I was pretty surprised.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are so many assumptions and generalizations in this. I really want to go through and talk about this with you because you seem like a good user.

But, I'm not going to lie. This type of stupidity pisses me off. There were so many different groups living here, that to fucking group them together is such a sham. And yet, you made a comment on this thread concerning generalizing white people.

Are you a fish?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey I forgot to reply to you on this the other day. What do you think Im getting wrong? We can message if you prefer. Im open to your insights.

I do know that some groups were highly agriculturalist and somewhat urbanized while others were highly nomadic. I believe different strategies can have a pretty significant effect on culture and behavioral traits over a relatively short period.

But I also know that American populations with high levels of native admixture have pretty high crime and poverty which I do know is largely genetic. And I know that you can make a pretty good living being a member of some tribes. Which is grift IMO.

I think Im not a fish? Do you mean christian? No.

[–]carn0ld03 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

This looks like a poster for diabetes type two awareness.

[–]djhdlkguhaeil 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

She's so fat she's discovered type 3

[–]carn0ld03 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mind blown

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You do know there are more than two types of diabetes, right?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, never knew

[–]proc0 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They had a life of freedom, and the new arrivals from Europe (a.k.a. immigrants), wanted the same, then and now (curent immigrants). Natives are just Americans, and they should own it, IMHO. Why did they fight so much against each other? Across the Americas the natives had wars against each other, and the Europeans exploited this, but its forgotten. This lady's tribe probably destroyed some other tribe with the help of whity's technology.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why did they fight so much with each other?

Hm, maybe because there were multiple religions and multiple nations. Stop grouping them all together.

Don't be so damned stupid.

[–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Well Tonto, It looks like we're surrounded.

What you mean, "we," Kemo Sabe?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A list of large fauna that went extinct since “native” Americans arrived in North America

Prehistoric mammal extinctions (beginning of the Holocene to 1500 C.E.) Common name/scientific name:

American mastodon Mammut americanum

American mountain deer Odocoileus lucasi

American lion Panthera atrox

Aztlanolagus agilis

Beautiful armadillo Dasypus bellus

Bison antiquus

Bison occidentalis

Camelops Camelops spp.

Caribbean ground sloths

Columbian mammoth Mammuthus columbi

Dire wolf Aenocyon dirus

Florida spectacled bear Tremarctos floridanus

Glyptodon

Harlan's muskox Bootherium bombifrons

Holmesina septentrionalis

Jefferson's ground sloth Megalonyx spp.

Mylohyus M. elmorei, M. floridanus, M. fossilis, M. gidleyi and M. nasutus

Pacific mastodon Mammut pacificus

Pleistocene North American jaguar Panthera onca augusta

Pygmy mammoth Mammuthus exilis

Saber-toothed cat Smilodon fatalis

Saiga antelope Saiga tatarica

Scimitar-toothed cats Homotherium sp.

Giant short-faced bear Arctodus simus

Shrub-ox Euceratherium collinum

Steppe bison Bison priscus

Stout-legged llama Palaeolama mirifica

Western horse Equus occidentalis

Woolly mammoth Mammuthus primigenius

There were horses here for millions of years but they ate them all.

I like her neck thingy though.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow. That's an impressive list you've put together. I didn't realize most of those animals went extinct so recently.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I just pulled the list from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_animals_extinct_in_the_Holocene

If you want to look at it. It lists estimated time of extinction but alot died off about 10,000 years ago. So NAs look pretty culpable. People everywhere tend to shit up the local environment but I just hate this fucking noble savage mystic like NAs are morally superior. They ate all the horses and the mastadons and they had slavery and human sacrifice and all manner of fucked up behavior. They had empires and colonized each other. So they can lay off the virtue shit.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. It's basically blaming living people for what dead people did while omitting what other dead people did.

Also, Europeans had help fighting some of the natives because they had help from competing tribes. The Spanish were seen as liberators because the Aztecs were so brutal.

[–]copenseethe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

She thinks of the illegal immigrants that built all the infrastructure and a society so prosperous that morbid obesity is a greater threat than famine.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

s/fatpeoplehate

[–]thefirststone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And the Bantu were in South Africa first, too, right? Pull the other one, invader.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This guy says theyre not even really from africa, if you are interested in that sort of stuff.

https://bmcecolevol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12862-018-1211-4

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Better rag on white people before they become minorities in western nations because the people replacing them have no manufactured “white guilt” and they don’t give a shit about your grievances.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Native American is one of the best grifts there is. If you are one quarter you can be a professional native american and make a fine living off of grants and casinos paid for by whitey. Lets give them Colorado or something and be done with it. Then the can re-institute HUMAN SACRIFICE and slavery and a hunter gatherer lifestyle and finally de-colonize themselves. Yay.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There were plenty of tribes who did not do human sacrifices.

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    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree, probably almost every group performed human sacrifice at some point. The greeks talk about it in their myths. So do the hebrews. The Norse did it. Certainly some melanesians were doing it until the last century.

    But we should be clear when Natives start talking about the barbarity of Christopher Columbus or Col. Custer. They ritually sacrificed children even. It was pretty wide spread. Not exactly Utopia.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    "celt" is just some accepted term. It means nothing, unfortunately, unless one is arguing from the modern Jewish scholarly perspective most on this thread seem to use.

    The human sacrifice thing is so shaky. People really should change their understanding of these clan-based cultures.

    There is a reason they were wiped out, and it's not because they were godless, human-eating, baby-slaying, hunter gathering nitwits like many here think.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The people were many other things, not Celts. That word, celt, comes from one specific group, and has been used as an umbrella term for a long time.

      Also, I am a mutt. My other half is gypsy, which means literally a mixture of everywhere my gypsy ancestors wandered. Lots of French, Spanish, and Iranian, unfortunately.

      I don't have a problem with the term celt being used, but it needs to be made clear that it is literally a word that is used to group in a bunch of different people....Just like the term "Native American". I hate that term. Natives to America?

      America is Rome. I'd prefer to refer to places in America by State, and the Natives by their actual people group.

      They were all so different, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a brick. I've met so many different kinds of Natives, and some are indeed psychopathic alcoholic whiners (just like some white folks I know) while others are proud to be who they are, and they know their own history better than some biased fool.

      There was human sacrifice happening in some Gaelic speaking tribes, and in some Native tribes. To try to say they all did that is a fucking lie.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Also, I am a mutt.

      Same with everyone in the US, including myself, LOL.

      I don't have a problem with the term celt being used, but it needs to be made clear that it is literally a word that is used to group in a bunch of different people....Just like the term "Native American". I hate that term. Natives to America?

      Oh, okay. When I said "Celts" I was referring to people who practiced Celtic religions.

      To try to say they all did that is a fucking lie.

      Yep... and it's super dumb.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Most people in the world are mutts, but how many are going to get past that and treat their history with the respect it deserves?

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep

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        [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I mean, they can have manhattan if they promise to ritually sacrifice everybody on wall street.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Bitch, you are white.

        [–]talleychan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They can get Manhattan if they swear to sacrifice everyone on Wall Street ritually. Share games 2 player games

        [–]gibsontrevor111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Interesting!

        [–]Swenyly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Do you think illegal immigrants deserve harsh condemnation, they hide and hide and are like an fleeing the complex? pitiful but also deplorable

        [–]jordanlaris 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Why is illegal immigration happening with more frequency today? Is it economic, war or whatever? The world needs to join hands to solve it as quickly as death run 3d

        [–]jennytrippi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Illegal immigration is something no one wants, perhaps all for the sake of life, so we need to join hands to prevent this problem from happening. their life is not happy but it's like stickman boost