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[–]magnora7 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Then just a few months later, he was assassinated. Coincidence?

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The CIA will have you thinking it was the Soviets that Killed JFK, same goes for the Fascist pro-segregation supremacists like the anti-Communist "Christian" democrats. The truth is exposed in Michele Metta's book concerning the pro-Internventionist Masonic/ZIonist aligned CIA and the Mossad station who assassinated JFK. Remember, JFK was the president and controlled WHO WAS APPOINTED AS HEAD OF THE CIA. This quote, is not sourced, so I'm not sure when or where he said it, but JFk was referring to a powerful sect in the CIA, who believed they were their own military and above the orders of the president. JFK, like Fullbright and the former fired CIA director Smith, who the masonic protestant ZIonist preacher (and exposed CIA agent) Gigliotti wrote a letter to the Freemason Truman asking for him to fire Smith because he thought he would make the CIA, like JFK and Fullbright wanted, a den of retiring military men who would be opposed to intervention and psychological warfare. The CIA JFK was referring to were pro-interventionist, incorporated members of various masonic sects who had ties with the p2 lodge in Italy and Ziofascist Jews and the Mossad in Israel. All corporatiosn and people JFK was privately opposed to.

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Conclusion: The pro-Interventionist entente CIA and Zionists worked together to kill the Detente JFk who they claimed was a communsit but in reality was no such thing,

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JFK invited to the White House famous Nazi test pilot Hanna Reitsch (4 May 1961):

https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/JFKWHP/1961/Month%2005/Day%2004/JFKWHP-1961-05-04-B

There is a photo of her with a group of other female pilots pictured with President Kennedy at the bottom of the article. Hanna is 4th from left. There is also a picture of Hanna visiting Wernher von Braun while in the USA.

https://www.hethuisvanoranje.nl/10%20Bastaard%20Kinderen/HannaReitsch.html

“Many Germans feel guilty about the war. But they don’t explain the real guilt we share – that we lost.”

Here is a picture of JFK with Wernher von Braun.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/321937073342676265/

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the CIA splintered John Kennedy's brain into a thousand pieces and scattered it to the winds

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(2)

Here is the exact language of Section I(B) of the McNamara-Taylor Report:

We recommend that: [1] General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas by the end of 1964, and in the Delta by the end of 1965. [2] A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time. [3] In accordance with the program to train progressively Vietnamese to take over military functions, the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

John K. Galbraith’s Boston Review article “Exit Strategy – In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam”

https://bostonreview.net/archives/BR28.5/galbraith.html

Classified records of the May 6, 1963 SecDef Conference, and follow-ups:

PART IV. Withdrawal of US forces. As a matter of urgency a plan for withdrawal of about 1,000 US troops before the end of the year should be developed based upon the assumption that the progress of the counterinsurgency would warrant such a move. Plans should be based upon withdrawal of US units (as opposed to individuals) by replacing them with selected and specially trained RVNAF units.

PART V. Phase-out of US forces. SECDEF advised that the phase-out program presented during 6 May conference appeared too slow. In consonance with PART III request you develop a revised plan to accomplish more rapid phase-out of US forces. SECDEF expressed special interest in the development of training plans which would accelerate replacement of US by GVN units, such as an accelerated training program for VNAF.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=122#relPageId=7

Laurent Guyenot writes in regards to why one might ask why RFK did not undergo a thorough investigation on his brothers death, he did, but only privately, writes:

The obstacle that RFK had to face was not only Johnson, but also his accomplice Edgar Hoover, who from Nov. 22 didn’t even take the Attorney General’s phone calls. Hoover played a critical role in the JFK assassination cover-up by leaking his conclusions that Oswald acted alone even before the Warren Commission convened. No one could contradict Hoover, who maintained himself at the head of the FBI for 48 years until his death at age 72, spanning nine presidents, thanks to his secrets files on just about everybody that counted in Washington. And by the way, Hoover knew, just like Johnson, that he would have been put on retirement in 1964. RFK knew very well that Johnson and Hoover had many cards in their hands to destroy his political carreer if he tried anything (which didn’t prevent RFK from conducting his own investigation anyway). Johnson had several cards in his hand to keep Robert quiet. One of them was his Cuban-Soviet conspiracy theory, which could be reactivated at any time. Its purpose was twofold: it made it possible to silence all conspiracy theories under the veiled threat of nuclear war, but it was also designed to silence Robert Kennedy, for it came with the accessory theory that Castro had killed John Kennedy in retaliation for Robert Kennedy’s attempts on his life. In 1967, in an effort to stop Robert from running for president, Johnson leaked the idea to Washington Post columnist Drew Pearson, who spread the rumor. Hundreds of newspapers reported in March: “President Johnson is sitting on a political H-bomb, an unconfirmed report that Senator Robert Kennedy may have approved an assassination plot [against Castro] which then possibly backfired against his late brother” (Max Holland, “The Assassination Tapes,” The Atlantic, June 2004, on http://www.theatlantic.com; David Talbot, Brothers, p. 348).The obvious implication was that Robert was responsible for his brother’s death. This theory still occasionally surfaces, for example in Gus Russo, Live By the Sword: The Secret War Against Castro and the Death of JFK (1998), which even suggests that Oswald had been originally trained to assassinate Castro.

What do we then make of Robert’s message sent to Khrushchev a week after JFK’s death, November 29, 1963, through Bill Walton, as revealed by Alexandr Fursenko and Timothy Naftali in One Hell of a Gamble, 1998, mentionned by Talbot, p. 25-27 : Walton handed to Georgi Bolshakov (the agent who had already carried secret communications between Khrushchev and Kennedy) a message for Khrushchev from Robert and Jacqueline Kennedy. According to the memo found in the Soviet archives in the 90s, they wanted to inform the Soviet premier that they believed John Kennedy had been “the victim of a right-wing conspiracy,” “that only RFK could implement John Kennedy’s vision, and that the cooling that might occur in U.S.-Soviet relations because of Johnson would not last forever.”

Of course, this detente or cooling done of relations does not mean the Kennedy's were rabid Soviet agents hellbent on bringing communism to the US.

In the recently published Journals: 1952-2000 of the late American historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., he writes about JFK:

A MONTH after Kennedy’s election, Schlesinger recorded in his diary a resume of his conversations with the president-elect. The central topic was the task of shaping the new administration. When they reached the subject of who would be secretary of state, the name of David Bruce, a veteran diplomat, was mentioned, but Schlesinger thought he would “not have too many ideas of his own.”

Later, at Kennedy’s house, the president-elect talked favorably about senator J.W. Fulbright. For Kennedy, the influence of Fulbright in the Senate “seemed a paramount consideration.” Schlesinger asked Kennedy if Fulbright would not “alienate the negroes and the Jews?” and Kennedy said, “I don’t care about the Jews” [in this connection].

A few days later, Schlesinger learned that the apparent candidate would be Dean Rusk, who was ultimately nominated. In early December 1960 Schlesinger noted that Harris Wofford (one of Kennedy’s advisers) had “succeeded in stirring up the Negroes and Jews so effectively that the uproar killed Fulbright, who was apparently Jack’s (Kennedy) first choice.”

It appears that Fulbright never forgot his defeat.

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And what are you going to do, shoot me? - man who was shot

(my teacher burst into tears when the announcement came over the speaker)

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(Prelude)

Who Done it?


https://youtube.com/watch?v=YKgHfJ1BVtA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pgQ-c_rt6ik

Fruit of 15 years of thorough research, Michele Metta’s inquiry into the killing of JFK is based on new exclusive documents.

Metta’s work is exclusive and brand new. No other book can disclose what this one can about the assassination. This is because the author owns what no one else has ever been able to acquire: the company papers of Centro Mondiale Commerciale, which employed Clay Shaw, a businessman who, in 1967, as a result of collected evidence, became the chief suspect in the main judicial inquest into the death of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, overseen by Jim Garrison, then New Orleans District Attorney.

Papers that will show you each and all of the other extremely important names alongside that of Clay Shaw in the company. And they are not only names that have never ever emerged till now, but they will also give you the clearest and most innovative picture of the death of John Kennedy ever made: a conspiracy fueled by an international masonic pact against JFK, and involving the CIA, Mossad, and Italian Intelligence.

Piper was on the right track, Metta proves who was in on the conspiracy and who was funding it.

Simon Peres, Ben-Gurion, Mossad, the entente pro-interventionist CIA; P2 lodge, World Brotherhood Incorporated, US North and South Freemasonic divisions (something Piper denied), CMC, and permindex.

Michele Metta lives in Rome. He is a historian, and a journalist for the Italian newspaper l’AntiDiplomatico, where he has distinguished himself for being author of many scoops on the assassinations of JFK and RFK.

FROM DEBROSSE’S FOREWORD:

The resulting book is a major breakthrough in the JFK murder case, documenting startling new information that goes to the root of the complex and tangled international conspiracy behind the assassination.

[…]

Read Metta’s book carefully as well as his documentation. I think you’ll agree it marks a stunning leap forward in unraveling –at long last– the dark truth behind the murder that changed the course of modern American and international history.

Was Jack Ruby a Gunrunner —->>>> Permnidex

According to the Piper, Permindex was comprised of:

  • (1) Solidarists an Eastern European exile organization.

  • (2) American Council of Christian Churches led by Haroldson L. Hunt.

  • (3) Free Cuba Committee headed by Carlos Prio.

  • (4) The Syndicate headed by Clifford Jones, ex-lieutenant governor of Nevada. This group also included Bobby Baker, George Smathers, Roy Cohn (yes, the groomer of Trump and co.) Fred Black and Lewis McWillie.

Louis Mortimer Bloomfield died in 1984 was the largest shareholder of Permindex. A few years before his death donated 31 boxes of documents to the Library and Archives Canada. This included correspondence with some well-known politicians such as George H. W. Bush. The one condition Bloomfield placed on the donation was that public access to the papers would be restricted for 20 years after his death. However, when researcher, Maurice Phillips, attempted to gain access to these materials in 2004 he found that Bloomfield’s widow, Justine Stern Bloomfield Cartier, was still refusing permission for them to be released into the public domain.

In a comment, praising Patricia Lambert’s book (a book written by a Zionist which denies any wrongdoing by Clay and blames, more than anything else, Garrison's character, claiming he was a fascist and didn't like ho,osexuals (CIA agents) like Clay; some advocates of Lambert, with no evidence whatsoever, claims that Garrison was probably a pedophile:

It is really a shame that a genuine fascist (I do not use the term lightly) Jim Garrison persecuted a totally innocent man, Clay Shaw. It is even more appalling that so many years later, Oliver Stone persecuted his memory all over again.

So, many of those who agree with Patricia Lambert book ‘False Witness’ believe Shaw to be totally innocent and Garrison to be a fascist? Interesting, no?

Another Lambert advocate writes:

Garrison’s sins seem less the result of any secret fascistic beliefs he held than they are due to his predilection for power and self-aggrandizement.

Lambert continues:

The most outlandish claim, but an enduring one, is that Clay Shaw had an “extensive international role as an employee of the CIA . . . trying to bring Fascism back to Italy,” as Jim Garrison describes it.(48) This is pure fiction.

So, here we have a interesting blame-game going on, entitled: 'Who is the fascist?' All of this is rather pointless because the evidence is quite clear in Metta's books on Clay's guilt.

But Jim Garrison clearly exposed his political views:

...freedom of conscience, social responsibility and an insightful anti-war stand. Garrison was a humanist, an idealist and a very individualist personality...

These prophetic sentences was formed by Garrison in 1967:

Over the years, I guess I’ve developed a somewhat conservative attitude — in the traditional libertarian sense of conservatism, as opposed to the thumbscrew–and–rack conservatism of the paramilitary right — particularly in regard to the importance of the individual as opposed to the state and the individual’s own responsibilities to humanity. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to formulate this into a coherent political philosophy, but at the root of my concern is the conviction that a human being is not a digit; he’s not a digit in regard to the state and he’s not a digit in the sense that he can ignore his fellow men and his obligations to society.

What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto–fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity.

But I’ve come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, “Fascism will come to America in the name of anti–fascism.” I’m afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

So much for Garrison wanting to bring Fascism to the US...

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Who must go?

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This probably belongs in conspiracy theories rather than quotes. The evidence that he said this is scarce at best.

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Maybe.

An acting president can arrest and disband the CIA, but can't send them to jail.

They have more connections than the police, so the qualified immunity and jury nullification techniques would work even better for them.

And once they are released, the acting president will pay for his sins and the replacement can just reinstate the agency.

So, even if the army, the president and the people want them gone, much preparation and cooperation is required.

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JFK the film and Oliver Stone (SIlverstein)

Oliver Stone (Silverstein) was quite close to the truth. He was, however, surrounded by Israeli agents such as Arnon Milchan who he has publically called a scoundrel. Many researchers claim that Stone worked with Milchan to cover-up the true players involved in the assassination fo JFK. Milchan merely produced the film, I'm sure he might have tried to prevent certain information coming out but Stone got the ball rolling from where Garisson left off.

Metta further touches upon this but with company documents from CMC-permindex, World Brotherhood Inc., and various CIA documents that provide a more robust understanding of the role the CIA, P2 lodge and Mossad had in the assassination of JFK.

It’s a dense read, and has no index, which makes finding figures in the book annoying. I’m sure that is because nobody cared to publish his book in readable English.

Again, various groups were involved in the assassination in more ways than one including Seligman bank, P2 lodge members, former Mussollinyist fascists who were used by NATO for strategy of tension operations against communism; there is also a National socialist connection, rather, a NATO recruitment of Nazis connection. The documents Metta has also provide ample support for Israel LLC playing a role in the assassination. Israel didn’t like JFK (look at JFK’s memorial in Israel. It looks like a giant stump, as if a tree—representing the kennedy view—was chopped down).

Interestingly, a ZioFascist Jew, self-admitted, told me that Kennedy was a “nigger loving disgrace,” and he was no use anymore to the money power. I found this contention odd. Was he trying to say that Kennedy was working for the money power and they killed him because he was of no use to them anymore? He then sends me a link to an Italian fascist journalist who argues the same thing. KILLING KENNEDY – by Revilo P. Oliver which blames the assassination on communists.

Revilo P. Oliver writes, and one can see that he is following hook-line-and-sinker the CIA's narrative, even the cointelpro, it was the Jews, fallacy, that:

the major motive for the assassination of Kennedy: the need to abort the growing dissatisfaction of the American people with a government that was obviously acting in the interests of our enemies, the masters of Communist Russia–a dissatisfaction that had been brought close to the boiling point by the Indignation Meetings held throughout the country, which were sponsored by patriotic Americans in Dallas.

Kennedy’s domestic policies alarmed intelligent Americans. He sent hordes of vicious goons, dressed as Federal Marshals, into Louisiana and Arkansas to pollute American universities with niggers. He appointed his brother, Robert, Attorney General and so head of the Department of Justice, a post for which he had no qualifications, and Robert (“Bobby Sox”) used his authority over J. Edgar Hoover to begin to fill the F.B.I. with thugs, many with criminal records, known as “Bobby’s Boys.” They were detested by the older agents, who had some pride and belief in the integrity of the F.B.I. If you asked a veteran agent with whom you were acquainted about “Bobby’s Boys,” he usually made a grimace of pain and disgust and replied, “Well, I’ll be able to retire in another two (or three or four) years.”

Kennedy’s foreign policy, based on a supposed “cold war” with the Soviets, always resulted in another Communist triumph, most commonly because “Foreign Aid” (and the C.I.A.) had been used to overthrow civilized or semi-civilized governments and replace them with barbarous outposts of the Soviets’ ever more formidable military machine. Americans capable of distinguishing between a politician’s screen of verbiage and his acts asked the questions that were posed, the very morning of the assassination, in the advertisement of which the essential part is reprinted above.

(In 1963 there were a great many Americans who had not been narcotized by the Jews’ press and schools, and who remembered what the United States had once been. Most of them have died in the almost thirty years that have passed since the assassination, and have been largely replaced by typical products of the tax-supported boob-hatcheries.)

For these various reasons Kennedy had become unpopular in many circles before the Indignation Meetings throughout the country, organized by patriotic Americans in Dallas, awakened bitter resentment at his stripping of our Air Force to supply our latest and best aircraft to the Communists in Yugoslavia. (7)

Interestingly, there is no mention of Israel’s nuclear program, the P2 lodge, Freemasonic anti-JFK pact, CMC-permindex, the CIA, etc. Seems like Oliver was merely following the CIA script, covering for Zionists Jews and blaming everything on communists because they were an easy scapegoat and they didn't have to admit the fact that they killed him because they thought he was useless and a danger to their entente goals as well as a strong force against the geopolitical Zionist state of Israel.

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Lambert continues:

On March 4, 1967, three days after Shaw’s arrest in New Orleans, Paese Sera, a crypto-Communist, [Was it? Sounds like you're covering for the Ziofascists here Lambert] Italian tabloid,(49) charged that a defunct corporation, Centro Mondiale Commerciale (World Trade Center) — whose Board of Directors included Clay Shaw — was a CIA front, masking illegal anti-Communist operations in Italy. In the three decades since the claim was published, no one has advanced a shred of proof for this; certainly not Paese Sera, which simultaneously alleged financial links between CMC’s parent corporation, PERMINDEX (Permanent Industrial Exhibitions) and the OAS, the illegal French paramilitary organization responsible for assassination attempts against President Charles De Gaulle.

President De Gaulle wrote:

President Kennedy died like a soldier, under fire, for his duty and in the service of his country”.

Unfortunately for Lambert, Metta proves these debunkers of Shaw’s guilt and Permindex involvement to be dead wrong.

It’s a curious fact too that those who I have conversed with who disregard or outright attack Piper or Metta’s books are Zionists or have ties to Israel. John Loftus, in all his disinfo glory, [that reminds me of the anti-muslim /u/useless_aether, whose last post prasied Loftus' book on the alleged war on Jews] attacks the permindex connection and believes Garrison was actually working with Shaw, laughable; this narrative was promoted probably to muddy the waters. Loftus was a key figure in the 1967 war in Israel and helped train Israeli forces, that alone, should put things into perspective.

useless_aether and hibs also claimed that the John, Jack and RObert Kennedy, staunch Catholics, were 'actually' part of a secret Protestant operation to undermine Catholicism. When everything is a Catholic conspiracy, why not create this theory?

Catholicism cannot be reduced to the Vatican. If we look at it from below (the grassroot level) rather than from the top, we can even say that Catholicism is much more Pagan than Jewish. What’s Jewish about the cult of Mary? Puritanism, by contrast, it almost completely Jewish. What incorporation follows most closely what the Son of God preached is another issue entirely.

Nonetheless, Judaeo-masonic elements have controlled the Vatican since Vatican II in the sixties and cemented that control in 1978 with the assassination of anti-Freemason John Paul I = a Pope for just 33 Days.

Bergoglio appeases all kinds of Talmudic rabbis and has been caught hundreds of times desecrating Yeshua’s name. He appears to be promoting noahidism and futurism. John Paul I, had his prolems, but he was the last that stood half-assed against Judeo-Fresmasonry. After his assassination, the Vatican was infiltrated by masonry and Talmudism.

Going back to the information on Permindex, what Piper didn’t know because he didn’t have the documents Metta now has. He proves that there was an alliance centered around Italian intel., NATO, “Strategy of Tension” operations, pro-Musollini fascists, Likudnik/Irgun revisionist Zionists, the p2 lodge, and the World Brotherhood Incorporated and entente CIA that held JFK in contempt and believed he was a national security threat and was too soft on communism, so they say.

Plus, when we take into account John F. Kennedy and his brother, Robert F. Kennedys' stance on Dimona, and their work to make what is now AIPAC and all of the Zionist lobbies in America, at that time probably a few dozens which now stands at well over 100, foreign agents, needless to say, he had MANY ENEMIES.

In conclusion, the entente CIA and the government of Israel LLC had all the reason to kill JFK; a match made in heaven.

Also, Gigliotti signed an anti-JFK pact with the p2 lodge in Italy as well as all Freemasonic grand masters in the US (liars tell us P2 was just a fringe masonic group; it wasn’t), and various Zionists with close ties to Israel.

Another strawman is the one Guyenot sadly wrote, stating:

90% of the JFK conspiracy researchers foolishly argue that he was killed by the Military-Industrial Complex and other rightwingers for being insufficiently anti-Communist.

In reality, that was one small aspect, sure. He was for detente, whilst many NATO aligned fascists were strongly for entente.

Pres. Kennedy had decided to withdraw the bulk of U.S. Forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965 when he issued NSAM 263 on October 11, 1963.

If Kennedy had lived to see his orders carried out, only about 300 American servicemen would have died in Vietnam, not 58,220, and Brown & Root, along with other military contractors, would not have made $$$ millions building military infrastructure in that country, and supplying weapons to the U.S. military.

Kennedy’s campaign slogan for ’64 was to have been “Peace and Prosperity.”

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Here is what Schlesinger recorded of the conversation with the senator:

Fulbright “began by talking about the Middle East. He is fed up to the teeth with the immensely successful Israeli lobbying operation in the Senate… Senator Jackson could rely on about 80 votes in the Senate for any Israeli issue. The other day Fulbright had a couple of Arab diplomats for lunch. He asked a number of senators; most made excuses; one said he would come by after luncheon but did not; and only three or four accepted.”

What an obsessed scoundrel was this Fulbright. -- Written by Israel diplomat and Zionist Shimshon Arad.

And what about this nice Jewish historian, Arthur Schlsinger Jr. publicly said to be JFK's friend, who milked JFK's death with many book publications.

On January 9, 1975, Schlesinger met senator George McGovern, who was pondering whether to seek the chairmanship of the Foreign Relations Committee's subcommittee on the Middle East. Fulbright had personally held this chairmanship himself, "in order, as he told McGovern, to prevent its falling into the hands of someone who would be too responsive to the Israeli lobby, and he has encouraged McGovern to take it on."

On June 11, 1981 Schlesinger lunched with the prominent journalist Joe Alsop. The topic was "the sneak Israeli attack on the nuclear installation in Iraq, an appalling action" in Schlesinger's view; but he recorded that Bill Paley, president of CBS, and Alsop, the Wall Street Journal and even Schlesinger friend's the liberal journalist Jim Wechsler applauded the attack. When Kissinger was asked his view at a dinner party, he said, "Privately, I am pleased. I think many Arabs are pleased." I am starting to believe Schlesinger was more a friend of Israel, covertly, than he was to JFK, and it shows with his Foreign Policy piece calling for middle-eastern wars that I reference down below.

At a party in April 1982, Kissinger told Schlesinger that he had "much less sympathy for Nixon now than he had in 1974-75. 'What really finished it for me was the trip to Sadat's funeral,'" when Kissinger went along with Nixon, Ford and Carter. As soon as they got into the plane, "Nixon was his old self again, trying to manipulate everybody and everything, dropping poisonous remarks, doing his best to set the people against each other."

When they were later in the car without Nixon, former president Ford said to Kissinger:

"Sometimes I wish I had never pardoned that son of a bitch."

Now what about this Alsop, a friend of Schlesinger.

It is on record, thanks to Kennedy insider Arthur Schlesinger (A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House, 1965), that the two men who convinced Kennedy to take Johnson as his running mate, were Philip Graham and Joseph Alsop, respectively publisher and columnist of the Washington Post, and strong supporters of Israel.[52] Schlesinger doesn’t reveal Graham and Alsop’s arguments, and states that Kennedy’s final decision “defies historical reconstruction”—a curious statement for a historian so well informed on the topic.

Johnson was not someone that Kennedy had affection for before, during or after the election. Prior to the 1960 convention he and Johnson were bitter rivals for the nomination. Kennedy was 43 and a Catholic, Johnson was 51 and a Protestant, so they were also at odds on religious and age fronts. When Kennedy chose Johnson it was a surprise to many in the Democratic establishment and was seen as an attempt to to “win party unity and new strength below the Mason-Dixon Line by choosing the Texan”

As Mr. Kennedy sat in the rocker in my office, his head resting on its back he placed his left leg across his right knee. He rocked slightly as he talked. In a slow pensive voice he said to me, 'You know if I am re-elected in sixty-four, I am going to spend more and more time toward making government service an honorable career. I would like to tailor the executive and legislative branches of government so that they can keep up with the tremendous strides and progress being made in other fields.' 'I am going to advocate changing some of the outmoded rules and regulations in the Congress, such as the seniority rule. To do this I will need as a running mate in sixty-four a man who believes as I do.' Mrs. Lincoln went on to write "I was fascinated by this conversation and wrote it down verbatim in my diary. Now I asked, 'Who is your choice as a running-mate?' 'He looked straight ahead, and without hesitating he replied, 'at this time I am thinking about Governor Terry Sanford of North Carolina. But it will not be Lyndon.'

Indeed, according to an unpublished memoir by Hyman Raskin, a Chicago lawyer and political operative whom Hersh cites, Kennedy was forced to pick then-Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson as his running mate in 1960 when Johnson and his fellow Texan, then-House Speaker Sam Rayburn, threatened to divulge some unidentified episode from Kennedy’s past. “Those bastards [Johnson and Rayburn] were trying to frame me,” Raskin claimed Kennedy told him. “They threatened me with problems, and I don’t need more problems. I’m going to have enough problems with Nixon.” Here is Schlesinger almost 40 years later:

“In defense of the world Order, U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die. … We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood, as well as in words and money.”

— Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Back to the Womb, July/August 1993 issue of Foreign Affairs

Ahhhh, yes, war cries for the neocons!

Schlesinger is certainly a very ambiguous person, not unlike Ted Sorensen (of Russian Jewish descent by his mother). Schlesinger’s book on Kennedy, A Thousand Days, has some informative points, but is also remarkable for what he doesn’t say.

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But this defeat had nothing to do with Kennedy, as many Zionsits would like us to think, rather, Fullbright remained staunchly agaisnt Israel and Zionism.

The next reference to Fulbright and Israel appears in April 1973. Schlesinger was flying to Palm Beach Florida, and he found that Fulbright and his wife were on board.

Here is what Schlesinger recorded of the conversation with the senator:

Fulbright “began by talking about the Middle East. He is fed up to the teeth with the immensely successful Israeli lobbying operation in the Senate… Senator Jackson could rely on about 80 votes in the Senate for any Israeli issue. The other day Fulbright had a couple of Arab diplomats for lunch. He asked a number of senators; most made excuses; one said he would come by after luncheon but did not; and only three or four accepted.”

What an obsessed scoundrel was this Fulbright. -- Written by Israel diplomat and Zionist Shimshon Arad.

And what about this nice Jewish historian, Arthur Schlsinger Jr. publicly said to be JFK's friend, who milked JFK's death with many book publications.

On January 9, 1975, Schlesinger met senator George McGovern, who was pondering whether to seek the chairmanship of the Foreign Relations Committee's subcommittee on the Middle East. Fulbright had personally held this chairmanship himself, "in order, as he told McGovern, to prevent its falling into the hands of someone who would be too responsive to the Israeli lobby, and he has encouraged McGovern to take it on."

On June 11, 1981 Schlesinger lunched with the prominent journalist Joe Alsop. The topic was "the sneak Israeli attack on the nuclear installation in Iraq, an appalling action" in Schlesinger's view; but he recorded that Bill Paley, president of CBS, and Alsop, the Wall Street Journal and even Schlesinger friend's the liberal journalist Jim Wechsler applauded the attack. When Kissinger was asked his view at a dinner party, he said, "Privately, I am pleased. I think many Arabs are pleased."

I am starting to believe Schlesinger was more a friend of Israel, covertly, than he was to JFK, and it shows with his Foreign Policy piece calling for middle-eastern wars that I reference down below.

At a party in April 1982, Kissinger told Schlesinger that he had "much less sympathy for Nixon now than he had in 1974-75. 'What really finished it for me was the trip to Sadat's funeral,'" when Kissinger went along with Nixon, Ford and Carter. As soon as they got into the plane, "Nixon was his old self again, trying to manipulate everybody and everything, dropping poisonous remarks, doing his best to set the people against each other."

When they were later in the car without Nixon, former president Ford said to Kissinger:

"Sometimes I wish I had never pardoned that son of a bitch."

Now what about this Alsop, a friend of Schlesinger.

It is on record, thanks to Kennedy insider Arthur Schlesinger (A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House, 1965), that the two men who convinced Kennedy to take Johnson as his running mate, were Philip Graham and Joseph Alsop, respectively publisher and columnist of the Washington Post, and strong supporters of Israel.[52] Schlesinger doesn’t reveal Graham and Alsop’s arguments, and states that Kennedy’s final decision “defies historical reconstruction”—a curious statement for a historian so well informed on the topic.

Johnson was not someone that Kennedy had affection for before, during or after the election.

Prior to the 1960 convention he and Johnson were bitter rivals for the nomination. Kennedy was 43 and a Catholic, Johnson was 51 and a Protestant, so they were also at odds on religious and age fronts. When Kennedy chose Johnson it was a surprise to many in the Democratic establishment and was seen as an attempt to to “win party unity and new strength below the Mason-Dixon Line by choosing the Texan”

As Mr. Kennedy sat in the rocker in my office, his head resting on its back he placed his left leg across his right knee. He rocked slightly as he talked. In a slow pensive voice he said to me, 'You know if I am re-elected in sixty-four, I am going to spend more and more time toward making government service an honorable career. I would like to tailor the executive and legislative branches of government so that they can keep up with the tremendous strides and progress being made in other fields.' 'I am going to advocate changing some of the outmoded rules and regulations in the Congress, such as the seniority rule. To do this I will need as a running mate in sixty-four a man who believes as I do.' Mrs. Lincoln went on to write "I was fascinated by this conversation and wrote it down verbatim in my diary. Now I asked, 'Who is your choice as a running-mate?' 'He looked straight ahead, and without hesitating he replied, 'at this time I am thinking about Governor Terry Sanford of North Carolina. But it will not be Lyndon.'

Indeed, according to an unpublished memoir by Hyman Raskin, a Chicago lawyer and political operative whom Hersh cites, Kennedy was forced to pick then-Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson as his running mate in 1960 when Johnson and his fellow Texan, then-House Speaker Sam Rayburn, threatened to divulge some unidentified episode from Kennedy’s past. “Those bastards [Johnson and Rayburn] were trying to frame me,” Raskin claimed Kennedy told him. “They threatened me with problems, and I don’t need more problems. I’m going to have enough problems with Nixon.”

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I would take what JFK said with a huge grain of salt. He may have said it, and may even have wanted to do it, but that doesn't mean he was going to do it. His remark sounds like an emotional outburst, made without regard to whether it was feasible or not to do it.

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Maybe.

Some see the CIA as a counterweight to presidential power. And politicians don't care much about morality and the will of the people. So, even if he wanted to disband them, gathering the support required could have been impossible.

Self preservation isn't the only possible reason someone may have wanted to kill him. Jesus has a long list of potential killers and reasons.

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If you read "entente" anywhere in my posts, just switch it out with pro-interventionist/unconventional warfare. The word entente used in this instance is wrong.