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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

But her question stays: How did they get along so well for so long ?

And i personally had no problem with some stupid old men dying off finally: Trump, Gates, Fauci, Biden, Pompeo, etc.

What arguments for their so called "leadership" would these guys have if there was no money and no MSM? Right: None.

But they'd be probably be chased out of their tribes beforehand anyway for the Dark Triad being so strong in them.

In smaller societies it is harder to lie all day long, because people are actually watching each other more closely.

[–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Do you get along with all your family members? Does no one in your family lie? Do you really think you know all your cousins secrets?

The question is "why would anyone believe the claim that they had no internal conflict, especially when there is so much evidence of incredible brutality shown to other tribes?"

Scalping, for example, was done to live victims. Some tribes would also torture prisoners for days until they died to appease their god. Yet we are supposed to believe that these people were morally superior to whites? Sounds like pure racist propaganda to me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I didn't claim that. I just mentioned that the question stays, as it still does.

A family without conflict doesn't exist, afaic. But that is not the point here.

Of course they are morally superior to (whoever) because they didn't industrialize and automatize murder and wars because they lacked the technology for this.

And even if they could have done it like the immigrants from Europe i doubt that they actually had done it because of their beliefs.

They also respected their natural environment which our "leaders" tell us to destroy till we can't live in it anymore.

Scalping is a religious thing. You have to respect their culture.

Waterboarding and other CIA-approved torture methods and concentration camps are way worse, imo.

I never read of a concentration camp built by American natives, e.g. .

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It's because they just murdered the enemy tribes with stone age weapons.

Well, all but the young women. Those were kidnapped and raped or sold into slavery. Their bones are the only ones missing from the massacre pits.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You act like every tribe did the same shit their neighbors did, and for the same reasons. You are uneducated on the diverse topic of tribal customs.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Humans are assholes. It's in our nature to ruin things and murder each other. No matter where or what era.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's in our nature to be influenced and redirected. That is not our inherent nature, and if you believe that it is, you open yourself up to more of the same. Does it work for you?

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I won't disagree with you. We're very easily led and manipulated to conform to group standards. However, it is in our nature to protect ourselves from potential threats. How a threat is seen can be linked with how a culture is set up to deal with outsiders, but a tribe that ignores the necessity of territory protection wouldn't likely have lasted very long as a tribe in the first place due to other tribes with their own ideals for what they want for their people. Think about starvation, and what may have been done in times of strife. If an outside tribe has food, but refuses to trade for it out of lack of enough of their own resources, there could potentially be a violent situation that arises. We're above animals within the sphere of complex thought, but that just gives more context to what drives us.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert on these matters, and until we've got a time machine and a reliable way to observe those various tribes of the Americas we can only rely on the information that is already available.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a much more mature way of viewing the history than what Chipit and others are doing. You are right, we can only look at the sources and attempt to discern truth. None of us were there, but that doesn't mean we should immediately believe the BS the missionaries and priests wrote about them.

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    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Humans are humans the world over. These Native Americans were no better and no worse than any. That is to say, they murdered when they wanted and raped when they could. They took slaves because slaves are awesome. And destroyed the environment when they had the capability to do so.

    This is hardly controversial and is mainstream thought. Pick up an environmental textbook sometime.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    some tribes murdered and raped whenever they wanted. Quit generalizing.