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[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

These people literally lived in the Stone Age. I don't think we should be taking advice from them about how to live life. They spun their wheels for centuries on some of the richest land on Earth, never doing anything or progressing in any way.

"We had no money" is an admission of no technology advancement. They also didn't have the wheel, bronze working, a theory of disease or paved roads. Idolizing them is just advancing the discredited "noble savage" theory.

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The fact that you act like this is depicting a "noble savage" theory proves that you are biased. You are incredibly focused on western ideals of "civilization".

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You say that like it's some kind of crime. It's not. I'm a westerner.

You absolutely are peddling the noble savage narrative. It's a lie. These people were just like us, only without all our advantages. They had the chance to grow and progress, and instead chose stagnation. If your civilization does not advance, what are you doing wasting your lives?

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I can't change your mind, I can only use careful language. I'm fine with all you conservative, and or, industrial folks lashing out. Those with more cautious minds will see that I have not been supporting some "noble savage" theory. I'm simply willing to acknowledge the good in certain tribes, and then go on to acknowledge the fact that modern "civilization" has disposed of that good for something lesser.

You cannot comprehend because you are focused on the physical. You then think that I am focused on the mystical, as if I conflate the natives into something greater than they were. It's almost like someone poked at your ego, almost as though you identify with modern understanding.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm simply willing to acknowledge the good in certain tribes, and then go on to acknowledge the fact that modern "civilization" has disposed of that good for something lesser.

Modern civilization has done much, much more than any tribe. Tell me, did any of these tribes have democracy? Of course not, that's a Western idea. Did they enrich themselves with diversity? Of course not, they were ethnostates (alt-right values). They did keep an open borders policy, though, which I will concede is to their credit. Did they give equal rights to minorities? Did they use technological advancement to engineer a new and better kind of human? I can go on like this all day long.

If you want to say that stone age tribes were some kind of paradise, you're just wrong. Life was nasty, brutish, and short. Romanticizing them is folly. And yes, it is the noble savage stereotype, long ago thoroughly debunked.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Iroquois Confederation had a working form of democracy, unlike what America has, where it's more of an oligarchy.

You are foolish.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A confederation is a crappy form of democracy. It's what the Confederate States of America had. We crushed them and burned down their lands. Pray tell, did this confederation practice capital punishment? Or slavery? What was their opinion of Africans? Gosh, they were much alike, weren't they?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your hate speaks volumes.

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    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The whole world is in disorder because of modern life

    This is completely false. Things are better than they've ever been, for the majority of humanity, and they're only getting better. Today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow will be better still. The poorest of humanity are the major beneficiaries. Sounds like you've been listening to some stinkin' thinkin'! Stephen Pinker addresses this at length. For which he has been attacked and villified.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Physical needs are being met by and large, still there are countless who go without (you'd probably blame them wholly for this) and our emotional needs are drowning under the weight of countless distractions, which many ask for but don't need. Our mental and psychological needs are actively being suppressed, unlike certain societies in the past, where there existed far more freedom and stability.

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    our emotional needs are drowning under the weight of countless distractions, which many ask for but don't nee

    OOOOOOOHHHHH

    You're talking about wealthy white westerners. OK you make so much more sense now.

    I was talking about the entirety of humanity. Wealthy white westerners hardly make up 1%. Yes, for the lower 99% out there, their lives are better than they've ever been, and only getting better every day. The 1% are very famously blind to the 99%, so I get where you're coming from now.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You are adorable. My family is full of non-white westerners, and they have far different things to say about their own, westernized societies than what you seem to say. Are you saying this is only a problem for rich white people?

    It's obviously a problem for you too, whatever race or class you are in.

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      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Why is there a think called Stone Age?

      Because they had no tools made of anything but stone. They had no way of refining or creating objects of copper, of bronze, and especially not iron. Phases Western culture passed through thousands of years ago. The point of having culture is to progress. To get better, to improve, to make better people. Not to wallow in primitivism for centuries on end.