"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion. -- Joseph Goebbels. Who knew Goebbels was woke?

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    [–]Hadza 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't operate in outdated terms, right/left means nothing today really. Try outlining ethics separately

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    It doesn't even fucking matter- both are completely made up metrics.

    Humans are dumb apes that think in binaries to assign "good vs bad". There is no 'kilo-marx' that you can assign to policy or party; the whole idea of a binary political spectrum is manipulative nonsense.

    Socialism for whites is neither right nor left, it's socialism for whites. It was never considered taboo until it attacked Jews, just like with BLM who are now falling by the wayside for biting the hand that feeds them.

    Here's the actual reality of politics; you need to engineer your societies or you will collapse. How you engineer it depends on your values. Many here want a European society with the promise of providing a bright future for their children.

    [–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Actually, no. "Engineering" society always means forcing your citizens to act in a way that they normally wouldn't, otherwise there would be no point to it. If you think you know better what people should do than any person him-/herself, not only are you being incredibly arrogant, you will only harm people, not help them. Because chances are that most of the time, you don't even know what's best for yourself, let alone others. The best way to organize society is to let people be free.
    You think that good and evil do not exist, think again. You don't want to be told what to do by a thereat of force. If you want to be told what to do, force is not necessary. That means you cannot want to force others to conform to your needs, and remain intellectually consistent. Either freedom is for everyone, or for no one. Evil people always want freedom for themselves, but enslave others.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    forcing your citizens to act in a way that they normally wouldn't, otherwise there would be no point to it.

    Yes. You bleed off those that won't function and fit into your society. In the United States, this is the prison system. It bleeds off dysgenics.

    [–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think the only people who should be in prison are those who harm(ed) others. A system that imprisons people for victimless crimes is a system built on injustice.

    [–]PresentableSonInLaw 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I disagree, you could "engineer" a society to value freedom and decentralization of power and wealth, in contrary to the authoritarian centralized society you describe.

    [–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    And how would you do that?

    [–]PresentableSonInLaw 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

    [–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think a direct democracy would be better than what we have, but it would still not be a society based on freedom. It would be a society where everyone has to subjugate himself to the whims of the majority, of the mob. A society based on freedom would mean you can do what you want, as long as you don't limit the freedoms of others (i.e. attack or steal from them). A direct democracy means do what you want as long as it doesn't collide with the interests of the majority. Sometimes, a democracy (direct or otherwise) is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

    [–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The typical classification of left and right is this:

    • The left are in favor of egalitarianism and social justice
    • The right are opposed to the left; this means they favor inequality (order) and social injustice (hierarchy)

    The right, then, consist of many different factions opposed to the left. There's only one way for everyone to be equal (though many ways to get there), but there's plenty of ways for people to be different.

    Which people should be at the top of society?

    • Capitalists would say that those who can make the most money should rise to the top of the hierarchy
    • Theocrats would say that those who are most pious should be at the top
    • Monarchists would say that those who inherit the throne should rule by God's divine right
    • Fascists would say that those who are most productive & loyal to their nation (sharing its blood and soil) should be at the top

    For this reason fascism is placed on the right. It recognizes the inequality between peoples, and desires order and hierarchy. It rejects entirely the egalitarian, social justice worldview of the left.

    But, fascism is probably as far away ideologically from libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism as it is from communism. From a libertarian perspective, the similarities between fascism and communism look more significant than the differences.

    This diagram shows how the political spectrum is better visualized as a triangle, with the three values of the French revolution at its corners:

    • Liberté (Liberty; Capitalism)
    • Égalité (Equality; Communism)
    • Fraternité (Brotherhood; Fascism)

    [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    That was a frighteningly bad recitation of what the right believes. It couldn't be more wrong.

    [–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You keep selling it but no one is buying your Bannon world view.

    [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You didn't make any argument there. You just attempted the guilt by association fallacy, which fell flat on its face as I haven't heard anything out of that man in years.

    The left is famously ignorant of what the right thinks. Jonathan Haidt's experiments ask liberals and conservatives to fill out questionnaires about their values, then to predict how someone from the opposite tribe would fill out the questionnaire. He finds that conservatives are able to predict liberals' answers just fine and seem to have a pretty good understanding of their worldviews, but that liberals have no idea how conservatives think or what they value.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150428090025/http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/

    When faced with questions such as "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal" or "Justice is the most important requirement for a society," liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree.

    http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

    See? That's an argument. It refutes the premise and adds references. You are welcome to add references that the left understands the right, but I doubt there are any. Typically it's just the "U R BAD" drivel posted above that nobody believes. I mean, monarchism? Seriously?

    The real reason leftists don't bother finding out what the right believes is because to them, the right are The Other. This is an outstanding essay that really hits the nail on the head. Written by a leftist, so it's safe.

    [–]EmperorCaligula 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Reddit has become such an absolute shit hole of censorship.

    in regards to your question, there is a fallacy out there that the nazis where somehow on the "left" because they came from the national "socialism" workers party. If they existed today they would very much be on what we consider the "right"

    i guess the leftist equivelent at the time was the socialists workers party (marxists)

    [–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    there is a fallacy out there that the nazis where somehow on the "left" because they came from the national "socialism" workers party.

    Fallacy? There's no fallacy. National socialism is like 90% compatible with socialism. It's an innovation on socialism by Benito Mussolini, who was a socialist until he had some ideas of his own about how to make socialism better.

    Please don't believe me, educate yourself on the topic. You know how we know Adam Smith of capitalism, and Karl Marx of communism, but who's the intellectual heavyweight behind this movement? Giovanni Gentile. Never heard of him? Most people haven't, because to read him is to know the truth.

    From 1912 to 1914, Mussolini was the Che Guevara of his day, a living saint of leftism. Handsome, courageous, charismatic, an erudite Marxist, a riveting speaker and writer, a dedicated class warrior to the core, he was the peerless duce of the Italian Left. He looked like the head of any future Italian socialist government, elected or revolutionary.

    In 1913, while still editor of Avanti!, he began to publish and edit his own journal, Utopia, a forum for controversial discussion among leftwing socialists. Like many such socialist journals founded in hope, it aimed to create a highly-educated cadre of revolutionaries, purged of dogmatic illusions, ready to seize the moment. Two of those who collaborated with Mussolini on Utopia would go on to help found the Italian Communist Party and one to help found the German Communist Party. (3) Others, with Mussolini, would found the Fascist movement.

    http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

    Extensive footnotes, suitable for going down the rabbit hole of reading.

    Of course the different factions of socialists fought among each other. That always happens. The most vicious and bloodthirsty always wins. The KPD put up a good fight, though, something else that's forgotten today.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Which Nazi policies are right wing?

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    They are right wing because they believe in governed by an elite rather than government by the people. This is the proper definition of right wing.

    It gets a bit confused in the US because US conservatives are mostly pro-democracy (as that is their glorious past) while in the rest of the world countries were built on monarchy and aristocracy so that's what their conservatives hark back to. However some class elitist conservatives do exist in the US, like the neo cons, and many see democracy as a great way of selecting the natural elite rather than choosing good representatives.

    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is the proper definition of right wing.

    It is absolutely not. You are brainwashed if you believe that.

    Freedom of speech is a protection of "the people" from the elite. Because it takes power to disenfranchise others of their right to speak, so only those in power can do it. And it is clearly the left that is attacking free speech and the right that is defending it.

    The right is not defined by the extremists. The right believes in individual freedoms, individual responsibility, ownership of the products of your own labor. These concepts are all anti totalitarian. The left believes the government should be given infinite power in order to use that power to make everything good. It is an infantile and ignorant basis for all their wants and claims. That IS totalitarianism, even if everyone on the left is too stupid to even understand that.

    [–]lemlemzil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    if you think nazis are left wingers, please go to s/debatealtright and request the Hitler fanboys there change their name to debatealtleft

    it would be funny to see their reactions

    [–]Breadman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    aaaaand blocked

    [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Boy, talk about people who learned absolutely nothing from censoring others, only to be censored themselves.

    [–]muellermeierschulz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The horseshoe theory is true.