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[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

it's because they are still refusing to go away :-)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I buy everything in that statement, up to the (communist) thing. They are above the communist/capitalist intentionally divisive issue. You know this, yet you pick a side/tribe/dogma. Curious.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

i think capitalism is not a result of a satanist conspiracy, so i am not treating it equally with communism. i don't visualise a ying/yang sign when i think of them for example.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Maybe you should?

It's easy to over simplify such a broad matter, but IMO, this is what it boils down to in the harshest dogmatic terms...

Capitalism = self = get what I can for me and mine. Easily corrupted by authority into free exploitationism with many casualties scraping by.

Communism = tribe = share among your community to raise all boats. Easily corrupted by authority determining who gets or doesn't with many casualties scraping by.

Ultimately it seems that the ruling class is equally weaponizing self and tribe interests against each other - as well as on national levels.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

you are confusing communism with nationalism

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

All nations have elements of socialism/communism embedded in them. There is no US military without the forced socialism of the state stealing your taxes to pay for it. Corrupted as fuck so instead of socialism I'd call it communism.

IMO:
Communism = us helping us via state control and distribution.
Nationalism = us vs others, keeping us pure, strong, unified, homogeneous, status quo, etc.

How would you distinguish them?

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i think you are mixing apples and oranges.

nationalism can be democratic, communism can't be,

nationalism allows private property, communism doesn't,

nationalism allows free (free as in free speech, not as in free beer) education, communism doesn't,

etc

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What makes you think communism can't be democratic? That's absurd, though it's as much of a show as here. Putin and his leaders and teamsters has rigged the game for a while. So too the Bush's and the Clintons. It's an illusion of choice. Voting is a rigged joke!

There's a profound distinction between private and personal, FYI. Nonetheless, Russia is balls deep in oligarchs with an excess of private property, not all but much of it stolen with the "fall of the wall" - just like the USA. China has more billionaires than anywhere else in the world.

I don't know where you're getting all this nationalism privilege from. Socialism and communism is all about free education. Cuba has some of the best free medical education in the world - but due to the sanctions they didn't have supplies, ironically. Many countries would send their best to Cuba - for free.

Seriously, this is common knowledge. Ask anyone. Look it up.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

communist juntas are never democratic, just have a look at history and the current situation.

Socialism and communism is all about free education

but i wrote:

free as in free speech, not as in free beer

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Free market fad is just a libertarian neoliberal trick to loot the economy and pretend we are stil la Capitalist state. At this point if the 1% are obtaining 0% interest loans to do as they please and are bailed out constantly by taxpayers, don't you think elements of socialism which benefits the middle class would be a good thing? The 1%ers run on a welfare system.