"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media" William Colby, Director of CIA 1973-1976

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[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

See also:
The CIA's Global Propaganda Network - #PropagandaWatch

[–]soundsalad 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How do you think the CIA goes about owning these journalists? Blackmail? Bribery? Straight up threats?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

the oss, which was the precursor to the cia was created by the papal knight of malta donovan.. the knights of malta were subdued by napoleon, the illuminati puppet, therefore the cia is an illuminati (communist) org.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Really? Always with the commies.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

it's because they are still refusing to go away :-)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I buy everything in that statement, up to the (communist) thing. They are above the communist/capitalist intentionally divisive issue. You know this, yet you pick a side/tribe/dogma. Curious.

[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

i could use satanists instead,. i still stick with communism because people know that communism exist politically, but i am not sure if many realize satanism exist politically. i mean it's much easier for me to say communists than to say satanists and then explain how satanists created communism through the illuminati every time.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why not "the Ruling Class"? That covers all of "them" and (((them))) and ٭ŦɧΞӜ٭.

People don't know commies for shit. They don't even know how their own political heroes and celebrity propagandists are fucking them over and exploiting them at every opportunity.

It also makes you seem like you more than just lean right. Maybe you do. That's fine. But generally the opposite of a communist is a capitalist. While I appreciate aspects of capitalism, I would rather be free of it.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

it's not specific enough / too open for interpretation.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

How about "The Evil Ruling Class"? Kakistocracy? Corrupt Elites? Establishment Of Eugenicists?

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

better!! :-) thanks! i do use these along with "the powers that shouldn't be", scum, "inbred imbeciles", templar-nazis, etc

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Templar-Nazis is good. Corrupt Inbred Elites! They aren't as imbecilic as they'd want us to believe.

" Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor gets them off the hook faaaaar too often.

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

i think capitalism is not a result of a satanist conspiracy, so i am not treating it equally with communism. i don't visualise a ying/yang sign when i think of them for example.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Maybe you should?

It's easy to over simplify such a broad matter, but IMO, this is what it boils down to in the harshest dogmatic terms...

Capitalism = self = get what I can for me and mine. Easily corrupted by authority into free exploitationism with many casualties scraping by.

Communism = tribe = share among your community to raise all boats. Easily corrupted by authority determining who gets or doesn't with many casualties scraping by.

Ultimately it seems that the ruling class is equally weaponizing self and tribe interests against each other - as well as on national levels.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

you are confusing communism with nationalism

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

All nations have elements of socialism/communism embedded in them. There is no US military without the forced socialism of the state stealing your taxes to pay for it. Corrupted as fuck so instead of socialism I'd call it communism.

IMO:
Communism = us helping us via state control and distribution.
Nationalism = us vs others, keeping us pure, strong, unified, homogeneous, status quo, etc.

How would you distinguish them?

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i think you are mixing apples and oranges.

nationalism can be democratic, communism can't be,

nationalism allows private property, communism doesn't,

nationalism allows free (free as in free speech, not as in free beer) education, communism doesn't,

etc

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What makes you think communism can't be democratic? That's absurd, though it's as much of a show as here. Putin and his leaders and teamsters has rigged the game for a while. So too the Bush's and the Clintons. It's an illusion of choice. Voting is a rigged joke!

There's a profound distinction between private and personal, FYI. Nonetheless, Russia is balls deep in oligarchs with an excess of private property, not all but much of it stolen with the "fall of the wall" - just like the USA. China has more billionaires than anywhere else in the world.

I don't know where you're getting all this nationalism privilege from. Socialism and communism is all about free education. Cuba has some of the best free medical education in the world - but due to the sanctions they didn't have supplies, ironically. Many countries would send their best to Cuba - for free.

Seriously, this is common knowledge. Ask anyone. Look it up.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

FAKE QUOTE

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

proof?

I used a camera to photograph the pages (which I will soon link), then I used Google Drive and Google Docs to OCR them. I have yet to actually go through the whole text and reformat it as it was on the page. Eventually this will all actually look good: https://infogalactic.com/info/Derailing_Democracy_Introduction

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's from a book that appears after Colby's death. There is no primary source at all. McGowean was the author and like this quote he appears to also:

McGowan unattributed quote (p33), of Lincoln, is a lie as well.

If a conapiracy theorist is using the mythological heroic Lincoln as a fact, then we must question everything else as well.

So many people, like Ellen Brown, Bill Still also do this. It's like they just rely on what someone else says. But if you can get screenshots that would be great.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

" I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. "

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Misattributed

It's sad to think a couple mistakes, intentional or otherwise, can throw a whole lifetime's good work into question.

I suppose these might be worth adding to https://wikispooks.com/wiki/David_McGowan ?

I don't know if there needs to be special sharing or if anyone can see these: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aZoyc6kGrqZYUSeG2sdirjny3yJeR3o_ If not I'll upload them soon enough. And I'll take a pic of p.33 too.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lincoln was a tool for the pro-aristocratic whigs. He was a whig himself. Neoliberals have heroized him. It's disgusting what Lincoln and the Frankfurt school of bankers did to the US. Permanent public debt and debt backed bonds for a fiat currency. The FED was just the icing on the cake.

Read up on Lincoln. The civil war was not fought over slavery but was fomented by Frankfurt and British banking rivalries.

And yet this Lincoln and his advisors who he appointed were quite contrary to this quote, suppsedly uttered from his mouth. They are politicians after all. The British lost their bid for a new chartered bank, Andrew Jackson was staunchly against the charter and won.

Lincoln was backed by the whigs and reconstructionists who basically said:

"Hey look, we are going to screw over the contitution, centralize government and enforce a banking scheme based on permenant public debt. But this is different, you cannot be against us because we aren't the British, where JP Morgan and Co.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, there's no source. It's just from a book pushed by a conspiracy peddler that probably hasn't stepped foot in public archives.

DO NOT FALL for the mythological Lincoln pushed by the Greenback fiat movement. Like Ellen Brown and Bill Still, they are liars. The banking schemes you see today were because of Lincoln. Hollywood made him into some kind of hero like Hamilton to cover-up the fact that both of them crapped on the constitution amd were tools for bankers.

Nothing Lincoln did was wonderful. He didn't free slaves, it was just cheaper and technology was becoming more efficent. All it did was lead to crowe laws and plus, in Lincoln's memuors he is a virulent racist.

Lincoln was no liberal. He was a Republican Whig. A whigger, basically. A white gangster, warmonger who sided with the frankfurt school of bankers. 95% of Lincolns quotes concerning his wonderful debt backed greenbacks are fake. The quote you sourced is also fake.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190417070655/https://americanmissive.com/2009/03/20/did-abraham-lincoln-say-that/

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, Jason. I trust this guys research and your free to read the house and senate hearings of the banking committee something Lincoln mythologist pushers forget or willingly ignore.

https://name789.wordpress.com/

His work is good and all freely available for you to read. I always wondered why most quotes on the internet are fake. Created on the internet or yesteryear in a book with no primary source. It is shameful ao many people fall for these quotes including authors.

If an author tries to tell you Lincoln was against the banks or uses his Mr. Dick letter to shill for debt backed greenbacks or fiat currency that book should be thrown in the trash.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Alleged quote:

'"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media." --Former CIA Director William Colby‘

Chronology:

1) William Colby CIA Director 1973-1976.

2) Colby dies April 1996.

3) Quote first appears in David McGowan’s 2000 book “Derailing Democracy”, Common Courage Press, 4 years after Colby’s death.

4) April 2011 Google search Of Colby’s quote results in 423,000 hits

A. Did Colby say that quote?

1) There is no primary source or other earlier source extant but McGowan’s for this quote.

2) The quote appears prominently in his introduction (p13) , with no first source attribution.

3) Over 200 other quotes are cited in this book with first source attribution, but not Colby’s.

4) In this book another McGowan unattributed quote (p33), of Lincoln, is a lie. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.asp

5) A search of McGowan’s conspiracist web site does not result in any mention of this Colby's quote. He avoids bringing up his most referenced Colby citation.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

The preponderance of the evidence shows the Colby quote is a lie and that those who repeat it as true, after knowing the provenance, are frauds.

B. Does the CIA or Government own the MSM?

1) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Pentagon Papers.

2) The CIA didn’t own the Time, The New York Times, The Washington Post when they published the Watergate Break-in and Scandal.

3) The CIA didn’t own the Washington Star, New York Times when they published the Tuskegee Experiment scandal.

4) The CIA didn’t own Rolling Stone when they published Woodward and Bernstein’s CIA/journalists Cold War connections article.

5) The CIA didn’t own The New York Times when they published the Iran-Contra Affair

6) The CIA didn’t own the Main Stream Media when they published Nixon’s Secret Bombing of Cambodia, My Lai Massacre, CIA involvement in Bay of Pigs Invasion, 9/11 government incompetence.

Some journalism Pulitzer winners and finalists:

1) "Pulitzer Prize awarded to Dana Priest of The Washington Post for her persistent, painstaking reports on secret "black site" prisons and other controversial features of the government's counter-terrorism campaign."

2) "2005 Dana Priest The Washington Post. For her determined, deeply sourced and insightful coverage of United States intelligence operations."

3) "2004 Barton Gellman The Washington Post For his authoritative and provocative coverage of the search for forbidden weapons in Iraq."

The preponderance of the evidence shows that neither the CIA nor government own the MSM.

Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207647

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting copypasta.

I have Derailing Democracy, The America The Media Don't Want You To See, a used copy from the Tuscon Pima Public Library. I got it last year but haven't read it yet as it's limited and dated from ©2000, so it's pre-9/11 and about the Seattle riots, etc.

Sad to hear that McGowan may have made that quote up, but it seems awfully odd that he would start off his book like that.

However...

It's worth noting, McGowan's introduction ends at the bottom of page 12, signed January 2000.

Page 13, still under the "Introduction" page header, has just two quotes at the top:

"You know the one thing that is wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." President Clinton

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." Former CIA Director William Colby

A 3) In the "Source Index" on page 222 featuring A-F, with admittedly sparse non-internet details only lists the page numbers, right below the 5 for Clinton is the one and only for Colby. Likewise in the "Subject Index" on page 226 featuring all of C and bit of D, is 3 for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) including "and the media".

These are just indexes listing the page numbers for all the quotes and topics. There are no "first source attributions" for any of them, a very wrong statement by the original poster, so...

the Colby quote is NO DIFFERENT than any of the other quotes

...in this regard. They all suck for citations equally, at least if you want to measure up to encyclopaedic standards.

 

A 4) Interesting too about the good but allegedly fake Abraham Lincoln quote, debunked on Snopes:
" As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless. "

 

A 5) Bad link?

 

A 1) I haven't even bothered to try and verify this copypasta from 2011: "There is no primary source or other earlier source extant but McGowan’s for this quote."

 

One could also argue that the quote is wrong because in the USA slavery is only allowed in the prison system, and to "own" someone would be illegal. Why would the CIA do anything illegal?

 

As Corbett recently reported in The CIA's Global Propaganda Network - #PropagandaWatch
/s/politics/comments/28xd/a_new_york_times_report_on_the_cias_mighty/?ref=search_posts
/s/conspiracy/comments/28lc/the_cias_global_propaganda_network_propagandawatch/?ref=search_posts
You don't need to purchase the whole corporation, as that would actually be a hassle. All you need is a handful of the powerful people.

You don't need to own the media if you control them.

 

That was an interesting read and a nice find on that skeptics forum, posted by BasqueArch.

The next post is by Oystein who says, "Cool. Wrong subforum?"

Followed by BasqueArch again, "The government control of the MSM is accused by Conspiracists to explain the lack of sympathetic 9/11 Truther exposure"

And that gets to the crux of this whole episode...

As if access to the MSM hadn't been dominated by propaganda of the "official" narrative and blocked to all Truthers, skeptics, and contrarians.

And on it goes... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207647

[–]DffrntDrmmr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting copypasta

I wouldn't call it "copypasta," though.

Reading the quote, I thought: "That doesn't sound like something a former CIA Director would say (even if it were true). I bet if I googled that quote it's not accurate."

Sure enough, it's not.

The only report of this quote seems to be from this one author, who offers nothing to substantiate his claim.

As noted in Snopes (referring to a different quote): Why have these words been put in a deceased person's mouth? In a general sense, the reason is because dead people make great commentators on modern-day politics: They can’t be questioned about the legitimacy of their comments, interrogated about what they meant, or asked to elaborate about the subject at hand.

Thanks for the additional insight and checking your copy of the book.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But you did copy it from that forum. Who ever they were, they clearly had a bias.

People say stuff and admit stuff all the time.

I don't trust Quora for shit (like Snopes), but here's another similar statement.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" ~ CIA Director William Casey

https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false?

Now that quote was not meant for public consumption but if you can believe Greg Smith and Barbara Honegger (who's intelligence, but has a great theory about the Pentagon being full of explosives on 9/11 as well).

FYI: I used a camera to photograph the pages (which I will soon link), then I used Google Drive and Google Docs to OCR them. I have yet to actually go through the whole text and reformat it as it was on the page. Eventually this will all actually look good: https://infogalactic.com/info/Derailing_Democracy_Introduction It starts terrifically (haven't read all of it yet), so I figured, hey, maybe worth cleaning up and sharing.

Yes, unfortunately a lot of dead celebs get a lot of misattributions - especially Mark Twain and Emma Goldman - ie. "If there's no dancing at your revolution count me out" or "If voting were effective they'd make it illegal".

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Colby story has a twist ending. Perhaps a happy ending, certainly ironic.