With all the reddit users coming over lately, I wanted to share something. This is what happened to Voat.

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Looks like someone is already trying to flood new with a bunch of anti-Israeli stuff

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

I'm anti israel, I think it should be ok to discuss, but not go overboard

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Absolutely! It should be fine to discuss. But a discussion means listening as well and not pushing an agenda by flooding the site with propaganda. My main concern is what the OP mentioned in his post, that the site gets co-opted. I was there for whoaverse as well (later Voat) and the site definitely didn't start out the way it is now. I like the free speech aspect, but the site is so bigoted as to be basically unusable to me and imagine many others. At the same time, I don't want it to end up like reddit either where only the most left-wing, SJW, views are ok to express.

[–]sawboss 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I like the free speech aspect

Me too, but Voat is free speech in name only. The karma system inhibits participation from minority opinions. It's also pretty damn discouraging to get dogpiled by dozens or even hundreds of downvoats when asking honest questions and hoping for an answer. You get no answers, aside from "SHILL DETECTED" and such.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

on voat I think everyone is from reddit and left in disgust because reddit is completely overridden by shills and legit people are banned quick. So people on voat go a little overboard with their new found freedom to talk. Also I think there are shills posting racist stuff to make it look like there are white supremacist terrorists increasing due to trump (there aren't).

[–]sawboss 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

people on voat go a little overboard with their new found freedom

Nope. The predominant ethos of Voat, meaning all subs, is explicitly anti-jew, anti-black, and white nationalist in approximately that priority. If you want to farm karma on Voat just write an antisemitic rant or post a ridiculous picture of a black person. If you want to be silenced, write a post which questions that ethos, or suggests the possibility of living peacefully with jews and blacks.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I know what you mean but there are valid reasons to be anti immigrant and jewish control of hollywood and banking system. You can't say that at all on reddit. So they go overboard and not just say that but resort to slurs. I do think that voat will get shut down soon for it. They are already making it invite only and before that you had to wait 24 hours to post, they were trying to keep new people from joining.

[–]sawboss 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

there are valid reasons to be anti immigrant and jewish control of hollywood and banking system.

I'm only willing to say that it should be acceptable to question and critique those things. The question of how to respond to objective evidence on the problems of immigration and the prominence of jews has always been a chicken-versus-egg problem for me. To be perfectly clear, are we anti-them because of supposed systemic abuse or instead because they aren't "white"? I've seen some emotionally persuasive arguments both ways, but compelling objective evidence still escapes me. (Maybe I'm just too stupid?)

You can't say that at all on reddit.

Totally. It's only acceptable to express bigotry against whites, cis-heteros, men, conservatives, christians, and Americans on reddit. Not the other way around.

So they go overboard and not just say that but resort to slurs.

Friend, I wish it were just "slurs". I'd be willing to tolerate that much. What I can't tolerate is an oppressive culture which squashes non-conformity at every turn. I need to be free to think my thoughts and ask my questions, and Voat doesn't offer me that much. Hell, I can even get by easier in a (increasingly limited) set of subs on Reddit, as stifling and offensive as the dominant culture is there, but Reddit has been declining in fun and creativity for years and at an accelerating pace.

I do think that voat will get shut down soon for it.

Will it though? I doubt it. I don't think I even want it to shut down. Just let it be and all the WN types will stay in their comfort zone instead of invading other places.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

you're more free to express your thoughts on voat than reddit. I'm a far left socialist and post there, get replies saying n word and such to me but whatever at least I'm not banned. On reddit I'm banned from most of the main subs, conspiracy, politics, news etc for being too far left and criticizing hillary. I do think writing is on the wall and internet is being large scaled censored.

[–]sawboss 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

you're more free to express your thoughts on voat than reddit

Only if my thoughts reinforce the prevailing ethos. And honestly, there are many, many, MANY other things I'd like to discuss.

[–]jacobi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

valid reasons to be anti Jewish control of Hollywood and banking system.

I would agree, and I think the most concise way to sum that up would to criticize it on systemic grounds, or that it's an issue of privilege. It seems like much of the Voat crowd hates Jews because they're Jews, which is obviously racist and not worth entertaining. What's your take?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think most of it is israeli shills who say outlandish stuff to try to make legit talk about jewish conspiracies look bad in comparison. Then tho there are some legit people who get carried away, what it boils down to there is the economy in the end, a lot of middle class people have been displaced and the economy never recovered from 2008 and that was caused by a lot of jewish bankers so the hatred and furiousness has just festered.

[–]jacobi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

...caused by a lot of jewish bankers...

I get that, I just wish they would focus on the fact that they are bankers, rather than jewish. It's the more relevant trait, no? That seems to me like a more effective starting point for affecting meaningful help for those economically and/or left behind.