We're Being Trained To Worry About 'Russian Propaganda' While Drowning In US Propaganda

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[–]Bonn1770 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

After World War 2 the Smith–Mundt Act basically made propaganda over the US airwaves illegal. Obama repealed the Smith–Mundt Act and now we are seeing the results. Thanks Obama.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Obama was worse than Biden. Controversial opinion at face value, but Obama's actions lead to the mess we're in now.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And anyone who wonders what this refers to - it used to be illegal to show "radio free europe" or "voice of america", in America. Because crazy birchers thought the dems were going to use it to turn the kids Red.

With the rise of the internet, it doesn't make sense to enforce a blockade against RFE/RL or VOA any more, so that red tape got cut, nothing to do with these conspiracy theories.

Well - I mean - you can have an issue with RFERL / VOA and argue it on those grounds, which I didn't see this user doing, but to suggest that Obama did it to brainwash you is not right

[–]Insider 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

hey everyone, remember when Obama lied about Gaddafi and genocided Libya

remember Obama's double tap policy where he would drone down civilian first responders?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't remember either of those three things. Not saying they didn't happen, but, those are extraordinary claims, so you need to provide evidence

[–]Insider 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

lmao, there's nothing "extraordinary" about these claims. U dumb or something? how does anyone involved in politics not know about this

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obama-ignored-congress-and-misled-america-on-war-in-libya/262299/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/obamas-libya-war-was-an-illegal-disaster-but-at-least-he-owned-the-cons/

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/opinion/21Ackerman.html

https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/flr/vol69/iss1/7/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/obama-administration-drone-strikes-war-crimes

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone-tweets-reveal-double-tap-plan-2012-12?IR=T

https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh I'm well aware of what happened, I just disagree with the extraordinary claims you're making:

  1. Obama lied about Gaddafi

  2. Obama "genocide" Libya

  3. Obama had a "double tap policy where he would drone down civilian first responders"

But I'm happy to read through the links you gave and compare their content to these three extraordinary claims.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obama-ignored-congress-and-misled-america-on-war-in-libya/262299/

Your first link: the nature of Obama's supposey misleading concerns are as follows. Obama said this:

"At my direction, America led an effort with our allies at the United Nations Security Council to pass an historic Resolution"

The article accuses obama of deception, because technically France was the nation which introduced the resolution to the UNSC. Does this condemn Obama or is this just a silly rightist talking point? Verdict: Tan suit

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention/

The allegations in this article are as follows. First, early in the affair, a Hilary underling said, "at this time we are not persuing regime change", when later on, a regime change was persued. I think you'll struggle to convict him on that. The article doesn't give any evidence it was a lie at the time, later pointing out that air operations were complex, so maybe preplanned? But air operations do not a regime change make.

Secondly, Obama said we weren't supplying weapons to rebels, when actually Egypt and Qatar were and America knew all about it. So he was technically right, in a way that maintained opsec. What do I think after reading this one? Verdict: he ate a hotdog weird once

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/obamas-libya-war-was-an-illegal-disaster-but-at-least-he-owned-the-cons/

This one is a review of his memoirs. The headline says "illegal" and the op-ed author says, it was illegal because Congress are supposed to declare war - you know, that thing which Bush created a state of emergency to avoid, and has been renewed by every single president since.

Obama didn't declare war - he enacted a UNSC peacekeeping resolution, something which successive presidents from both parties have believed was legal. I didn't hear anyone in Congress trying to legislate that gap.

Verdict: another bullshit piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/opinion/21Ackerman.html

It's just war powers act again. I addressed above.

Verdict: get to the genocide already

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan

This is not about Libya.

The crux of the Glen Greenwald nonsense, after he waffles for 15 paragraphs, is this: a drone strike in Pakistan happened, and Greenwald found this quote from a US official:

In the first strike, four missiles were fired on two vehicles in the Mana Gurbaz area of district Shawal in North Waziristan Agency, while two missiles were fired in the second strike at the same site where militants were removing the wreckage of their destroyed vehicles

Greenwald alleges that this is a double tap upon responders, but neither you nor he have any more information than what's there

Verdict: starting to suspect that u/Insider is full of shit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/obama-administration-drone-strikes-war-crimes

This isn't about Libya, nor any of your three claims. I'm not here to defend Obama's drone program.

Verdict: ** u/Insider is a bullshitter and you're scraping the barrel now buddy**

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone-tweets-reveal-double-tap-plan-2012-12?IR=T

This one has a bit more substance than Greenwald, but is just reporting on some tweets they found. I'll agree with you that the tweets seem to indicate a pattern of multiple consecutive strikes. What neither the tweeter nor the article proves is:

double tap policy where he would drone down civilian first responders

I don't see a policy, I don't see a pattern of civilian first responders, I simply see a pattern of multiple strikes. For example, if the targets are riding two vehicles, we would see the same tweets. Or if targets are in more than one location nearby, we would see the same results.

Verdict: I mean it's not great but still doesn't match up to your extraordinary claims

Last one now

https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/

Has no relevance to either of your three claims.

Verdict: now you're just throwing google results at me that ya didn't even look at first

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hi u/Insider, it has been a few days, just checking in if you read my response?

And if so have you updated your position here or do you still think those links prove something which I missed?

[–]RedEyedWarrior 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe Russian propaganda is bad, but at least I’m not exposed to it. US propaganda is pervasive in Ireland, and I know how bad it is.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An ultra-wealthy elite class controls the majority of USA and all Western country's propaganda/indoctrination distribution systems. Those systems are extremely effective and include the entertainment and broadcasting and printing industries along with the educational systems due to traitor lackey politicians and bureaucrats. Even the advertising industry is used to mold the minds of the masses.

[–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, brainwashing through ads is under-appreciated.

Related:

Major advertising has only a small number of conglomerates running everything.

Each conglomerate parent owns numerous, in some cases dozens, of international ad agency subsidiaries.

Extremely big companies that keep it in-house hire all of the same people in this field as you'd expect.

The conglomerates are all managed by globalist-communist-minded jews and they hire anti-white shitlib globalists of all backgrounds.

Hence, it appears, over half of all ads for nationwide and global companies produced for the "west" now feature either:

  • BLACKED propaganda (white woman, black man, or sometimes black woman, white man) or other interracial
  • all/mostly black
  • very deliberately no white/whitish man or boy
  • LGBT

It's so over the top that even normies are noticing and getting annoyed. Globalists keep pushing. Like all average "woke" shitlibs, they can't help but to obnoxiously seek their vision of "unity" utopia and spreading anti-white zealotry. They'll keep pushing even when it's backfiring because such powerful positions foster arrogance. It won't surprise normies to learn how only a shortlist of executives ultimately control most of the non-local ads they see, same as in news and Hollywood.

Black-man-white-woman media doesn't just demoralize white men and normalize white women being under a spell --- it also damages the psyche of black women. Damaging black women's self-esteem builds resentment and it makes them even angrier. It contributes to them overcompensating with fake self esteem (bad aggressive attitudes), fueling more racial hatred. Lashing out has a lot to do with feeling sad and bitter deeply. The vicious cycle gets worse. It would be interesting to know whether the anti-whites producing those ads consider that angle. Shitlib logic motivates their ambitions regardless.

[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I still have to see any real Russian propaganda. Maybe they are hiding?
What I do see is different news on Syria and Ukraine, but not any of that is related to the US directly.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Didn't you click on the article? Johnstone gives examples right there. Like this one

https://saidit.net/s/Conspiracy_proofs/comments/9nv5/false_flag_terror_tearing_to_shreds_the_elites/

You're not really going to tell us that you believe the FSB propaganda, that the Dugina bomber dropped her Azov national guard membership card at the scene of the crime?

Edit - the guy says he hasn't seen any ruz-prop and it just blows my mind. Does he think the two GRU agents were in Salisbury at the time of the novichuk poisoning just to look at the cathedral, like this RT propaganda would have him believe, where they "organically" recite the first few paragraphs of Wikipedia?

https://youtu.be/iNEWMrdSNfc

So many examples, it just blows my mind how anyone could say something so retarded

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The car bombing are local politics.
Does not really influence the US elections does it?

The Novichock thing was also investigated by many independents and shown to be a MI5 hoax.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, so you agree you have seen ruzzian propaganda, you would just like to move the goalposts now to mean, non-domestic issues.

Was Duginas bombing a domestic issue? When they said they found a Ukrainian ID at the scene?

Hey what about that time the FSB said they'd located a Ukrainian terrorist named "signature unclear"

https://mobile.twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1518624438358626304

Or what about that time they said they'd rumbled a terror plot from a ukranian who had 3 Sim cards. Or was that, Sims 3? Wait, which one were they supposed to get again?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/04/26/russian-assassination-sims-3/

The Novichock thing was also investigated by many independents and shown to be a MI5 hoax.

No sir it was not. Which shows how smooth your brain is, because I just linked you to a video of two GRU agents confessing on ruzzia today that they were in Salisbury at the time of the poisoning, but, they stress, they were only there to look at the cathedral. How moronic do you have to be to believe something like that.

Edit - and I can give you many many local American politics issues like this one https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-page-organized-protest-texas-different-russian-page-l/

[–]Mr_Nikto 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are both bad.

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Caitlin Johnstone is gigabased. I wonder when she is getting cancelled?

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

she has less than 200k followers, most of which are already anti-imperialists, anti-establishment and non-American

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We're drowning in both. Not to mention all the Chinese propaganda.

[–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chinese propaganda is mostly facts if you dig deeper. You can prove most US lies without quoting any Chinese pieces.

Example 1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program

The CIA Tibetan program was a nearly two decades long anti-Chinese covert operation focused on Tibet which consisted of "political action, propaganda, paramilitary and intelligence operations"

The Tibet propaganda campaign is still being funded by tax payer dollars.

Example 2:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/

https://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/22535/both-china-and-west-have-distorted-truth-about-tiananmen-square-protests-and-massacre

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

These are still propaganda pieces that only show you a part of the story. If you dig into the real Tianamen story, the situation turns out to basically be what China initially claimed. Except that no one knows what China originally claimed, the entire world believes in a lie.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Them amping their shitshow up has to mean something.

Possibly they fear more people waking up.

Maybe they can smell dollar hegemony ending and fear their endless supply of money drying out.