US Officials Admit They're Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia

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[–]asterias 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

US officials are lying, USSR officials are lying.

[–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's right. People shouldn't bother choosing a side when the same dudes control these groups. The Vatican took over American Intelligence a long time ago, and the Jesuits persecuted the Orthodox Church and took over Russian Intelligence as well. Even Chinese Intelligence is being controlled simultaneously.

People shouldn't give up on their nations. Check s/NationalistRevolution and s/Jesuits to build a resistance against the Vatican.

[–]portace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

why is the evidence provided for China conspiracies always so lackluster?

Based on method of operation, they don't have interest in taking down any foreign group, but they do have an interest in self-defense and establishing relations with everyone. Their policy is non-interference, even with evil pedophile shits or ethically questionable groups like the Taliban. Establishing relations with the Vatican seems pretty normal to their MO. They spend the same amount of effort with tiny African countries as they do with global powerhouses. So the evidence you posted isn't really overwhelming.

Based on more confirmable evidence, the OSS helped the Maoists come into power. They possibly set-up both the Cultural Revolution in mainland and White Terror in Taiwan (to reset their respective populations and establish two ends of a political spectrum to get the people to turn on each other and exist in a state of conflict).

But with mainland shutting their doors to the world, the pedo's grip on China considerable weakened. The pedos can't outright control China because the Chinese don't allow foreigners into their government and they can't exactly send a white dude to climb up China's ranks. Inserting agents would require methods like bribery, blackmail, threats, etc.

With the death of Mao, fall of the Immortal Eight and failed coup attempt at Tiananmen followed by the re-introduction of censorship, signs point to China being much less likely to being controlled. The pedos don't try to incite coups in states they already control. Furthermore, they don't need to manufacture mass amounts of fake news on a country they already control. Lastly, one of their main methods in controlling politicians (luring them into pedo rings and blackmailing them) is non-existent in mainland due to the absence of US military bases or NGO's operating there.

In terms of political entities they actually control, they can use these puppets to carry out evil deeds to justify conflict. They used Hitler, for instance, to genocide Jews and generate WWII. At the same time, Hitler moved Zionists and elite members of Jewish society to Palestine to establish Israel in the Haavara Agreement.

Controlled entities tend to actually do what the pedos want them to do, which is why I'm inclined to believe that Putin's not a part of them, otherwise Ukraine wouldn't need to incite so many false flags.

Some sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44326232

https://www.bloomsburycollections.com/book/the-secret-war-for-china-espionage-revolution-and-the-rise-of-mao/introduction-suspect-everyone?from=search

https://www.nps.gov/articles/oss-in-action-the-pacific-and-the-far-east.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

https://www.bbh.com/us/en/bbh-who-we-are/our-story/200-years-of-partnership/brown-brothers-harriman-in-the-second-world-war.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20457427

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796

https://dl.tufts.edu/concern/pdfs/fj236d30d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Absolutely - let's believe asshole bloggers like Johnstone and Saidit users and Putin, rather than look at the raw information, provided for us at the front lines.

[–]Drewski[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

How come you always attack the source, rather than addressing the content? The only response I ever see you make is something about loving Putin or "far-right" or "misinformation" this or that. Low pyramid post.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't "always attack the source, rather than address the content." I often go to the trouble of providing the arguments and the evidence that prove the misinformation correct. And sometimes I don't go to that trouble. If you don't believe me, read my comment history. Regarding Johnstone's misinformation, just look at the first ¶ :

NBC News has a new report out citing multiple anonymous US officials, humorously titled "In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid".

So the basis for her argument is her concern about information from "multiple anonymous US officials". Already this is not someting worth arguing. And yes, it is a fact that the: "U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid". This is a very good move. Otherwise the news media is flooded with pro-Russian misinformation. The US is using the best intel thay can locate. Right-wing news media now want to make this look like Biden is orchestrating a disinformation campaign against poor little Putin &co, and should just let them get on with their war crimes, ffs. It's not disinformation or lies if the intel is the best available at the time. The information distribution campaign can be faulty at times, which can be corrected if necessary. Regardless, should the US do nothing about the Russian disinformation campaign. Should the US not respond with its own intel? Should the US sit back while Russians claim that Ukraine is slaughtering its own citizens, when the US knows that this is of course not the case, and can provide intel to prove it? Should Putin continue with the war crimes without any response from the US? Do you want more innocent people to die and to have their lives destroyed? WTF are you trying to do by claiming that the US is intentionaly being dishonest, when we know that that is not the case? I could go on, but don't want to.

[–]Drewski[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's not the basis of her argument, it's the title of the NBC News article. The following sentences which you omitted are more to the point:

The officials say the Biden administration has been rapidly pushing out "intelligence" about Russia's plans in Ukraine that is "low-confidence" or "based more on analysis than hard evidence", or even just plain false, in order to fight an information war against Putin.

The report says that toward this end the US government has deliberately circulated false or poorly evidenced claims about impending chemical weapons attacks, about Russian plans to orchestrate a false flag attack in the Donbass to justify an invasion, about Putin's advisors misinforming him, and about Russia seeking arms supplies from China.

So you're decrying misinformation and simultaneously cheering on misinformation as long as it is anti-Russia. I've read your comments, you attack sources rather than address the content, and twist the words of Saidit posters you disagree with in an attempt to get some kind of "gotcha". I'm all for discourse and debate of ideas but the way you're doing it is disingenuous.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Waht you're doing is believing every word of her opinion on the matter, while not even considering that the use of intel in this manner is part of an information war that focuses nontheless on the best intel available. She did NOT effectively refute that. I am not cheering anything. I am correcting your false assumption that this lady's opinion about the use of that intel is somehow accurate or more important than the fact that this information war is absolutely necessary against the pro-Russian and pro-right-wing campaigns (like hers) to somehow justify war crimes and the destruction of Ukraine. Why do you support genocide? Why would you think her opinion somehow changes anything? WHy would you think the intel used by the US MUST be used in this case to tell completely false narratives? What would that serve? That would fuck up the credibility of the US intelligence reports, wouldn't it? Why do you want to fuck up the credibility of US intelligence reports? Why do you support war crimes? The US must try to counter the misinformation. And this is not closely related to Biden. It's a Pentagon matter, ffs. They merely let Biden know what hey're doing.

[–]Drewski[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I don't support Russia's invasion or war crimes.

I also don't support America's support of the 2014 coup in Ukraine overturning the democratic process, provocation of Russia through NATO expansionism and placing missile systems surrounding Russia that could be used offensively (a la the Cuban Missile Crisis), and hindering peace talks between Ukraine and Russia, instead using Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia.

Why do you want to fuck up the credibility of US intelligence reports?

They do a perfectly good job of that themselves.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I asked you: what do you think they should do? Not use the intelligence? Not counter the Russian propaganda? It's a fucking war. It's not a time to argue over the minutiae in intelligence reports. Russia's massacres will continue, regardless of our stupid arguments. I have no patience for the stupid political whining from useless assholes who are trying to make money with their opinion pieces, at the expense of the continued destruction of the lives of Ukrainians. I don't see why you or anyone should support any of it, especially given the consequences of spreading this bullshit.

[–]againstpedorights 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its all tiring by now

[–]againstpedorights 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

(((raw information)))

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

remove the tin foil hat:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BBCNews

[–]Salvador6feet6 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lol

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Caitlin has been on point, I enjoy her articles

[–]aaarrgh 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lying is the new 'normal'. Get used to it.

[–]againstpedorights 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mm

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The people know. They just choose to ignore it.

[–]jostiniane 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

A lot of us could see this way earlier.. Banning Russian news outlets is just a proof they cannot compete / they are loosing.. Ever wonder why nobody watches MSNBC, CNN and foxnews except some boomers? people already ruled out those as sponsored fake narrative / propaganda outlets.. They deceived people enough about previous wars.. They got everything wrong (Iraq, Syria, Covid, ..) and wonder why people are watching Russian, Turkish, Indian, Chinese ,... English speaking media. Because nobody thinks they're getting right this time.

The same applies to social media.. YouTube is being replaced by Odysee and the rest, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit.. are being replaced by new platforms. The users/viewers don't want a company or government telling them what's safe to watch and what's fake.. It's up to them to see the evidence and watch. Do you wonder why trolls like socks are also loosing their minds.. We are talking about Millions of USD wasted to sponsor those trolls to patrol Reddit and other places.

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    [–]Drewski[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Who & what subs did m7 ban?

    [–]againstpedorights 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    😡

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Caitlin Johnstone is one of a handful of stellar journalists who tell it like it is. Love reading her articles, thank you for this.

    [–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In a way it doesn't matter what governments say, because they aren't sharing the real-time satellite feeds with me. Without those (and an army of analysts under my command), how am I even ever able to figure out what is true and what is false?

    People that claim to know "the news" (or really just almost anything about things they haven't seen themselves (and even that goes wrong a lot)) typically don't know a whole lot.

    My first thought is that perhaps Russian trolls would find it easier to share misinformation here and in a way there is no point in not believing the story from the guy that's controlling the army of the land you live in.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Flagged for Russia Propaganda.

    [–]AXXA 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Caitlin Johnstone is Australian.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Of course, only RT and Infowara tell the truth 🤡

    [–]portace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Infowars is American, it's controlled opposition that the US government uses to keep the population voting back and forth between Republican and Democrat.

    RT is just biased, but they do try to speak based on reality rather than conform to the 1984 Truman Show Matrix shitshow.