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[–]Wahwah[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Someone named 'azaad' attempting to dismiss this as caricature and faulting the translation. Surely, there's no vested interest. Movin' on.

Though I have to admire the global unity of Muslims through thick and thin, through right and wrongs. I wish the rest of us could have that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Though I have to admire the global unity of Muslims through thick and thin, through right and wrongs. I wish the rest of us could have that.

Dude, I'm not sticking up for any group. I'm perfectly willing to call out Muslims for their wrongdoing, they are just people and not above criticism. I find this insinuation to be insulting and I also feel personally insulted by this caricature. I feel as though it is a malicious attack based on arguably mistranslated slander, that is why I said something, not because Muslims are above doing wrong. Stop making facetious assumptions about me based on a damn username.

Someone named 'azaad' attempting to dismiss this as caricature and faulting the translation.

A more accurate translation would be "Put an end to Zionist and American war crimes", at least in my opinion, but you wouldn't dare respond to that. That is so clearly what is being said here, your inability to see that is a malicious attack. I'm still being cordial and respectful because I believe you don't know any better.

[–]Wahwah[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You surely got pinched enough to write two comments additionally. 🤭

Anyway,

Put an end to Zionist and American war crimes Do you speak Arabic and this is your own translation?

I consider your opinion that you think it is a mistranslation, but that does not refute the possibility that the translation in the video is wrong either, I have to verify somehow since I do not speak Arabic.

Palestinians have been caught numerous times declaring 'death of US/Israel' openly to warrant this assumption here to be likely true.

By your stating your username I was simply highlighting the fact that you are likely a Muslim who is sticking up for their brethren and seems like I was not wrong to assume that from your other comments.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Palestinians are not a threat to the US, the Likudniks who did 9/11 are.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Muslims didn't do 9/11 and Zionists showing Palestinians celebrating 9/11 were actually mourning the deaths of nine of their own killed at the hands of Israeli soldiers is disgusting.

http://www.takeourworldback.com/dancingisraelisfbireport.htm

Jewish terrorists did 9/11.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You surely got pinched enough to write two comments additionally. 🤭

LMAO yeah definitely.

By your stating your username I was simply highlighting the fact that you are likely a Muslim who is sticking up for their brethren and seems like I was not wrong to assume that from your other comments.

No, I don't speak for any Muslim besides myself. The only thing that triggered me is the de facto assumption that I must be doing it to save face for my group due to my ingroup bias. Otherwise, I have a pretty thick skin about stuff that doesn't vibe with me personally. I was sticking up for myself and my own beliefs, not for the beliefs of any group. I don't get along with many Muslims man. Like I said earlier, get two Muslims in a room together and they will barely agree on anything other than the importance of the Quran. A lot of the times, that ends up being the only thing I agree with the community on.

[–]Wahwah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The only thing that triggered me is the de facto assumption that I must be doing it to save face for my group due to my ingroup bias. I was sticking up for myself and my own beliefs, not for the beliefs of any group.

Fair enough, but it wasn't about you or Muslim creed in general. It was about these individuals purportedly saying 'death to America/Israel' which is plainly abhorrent. But the way you attempted to vociferously defend them by claiming variously they were mistranslation/'malicious translation' whatever that means, made it personal, isn't it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

made it personal, isn't it?

This was clearly a personal issue for me since I typed the first character, I don't think that undermines what I'm trying to tell you here

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

This is just a caricature. Classic propaganda tactic to pick the most malicious translation possible. Either way, yes, indulge in freedom of speech and dissect the ideas instead of debunking a caricature. If you think Muslims have some covert agenda to "destroy America", you're deluded. Muslims only come in when they are allowed in to work. On the one hand, you think all Muslims are backward savages that don't know how to be civilized and in the next breath, you fearmonger as though they could successfully pull off an attack on the biggest, most equipped military in the world. You can't hold these two beliefs together, PICK ONE.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Just FYI, the American empire is dying in front of our eyes anyway. You don't need Muslims do to anything, ya'll are cannibalizing it from the inside out without any involvement from Muslims. Muslims didn't even do 9/11, it was your Israeli allies that toppled those towers just like they attempted to destroy the USS Liberty. If you think coming to Israel's defense is an essential "American value", I don't think any reasonable person should have "American values"

[–]Wahwah[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Just FYI, the American empire is dying in front of our eyes anyway. You don't need Muslims do to anything, ya'll are cannibalizing it from the inside out without any involvement from Muslims.

So, death to America already underway?

Muslims didn't even do 9/11, it was your Israeli allies that toppled those towers just like they attempted to destroy the USS Liberty.

Yup, you state that and then predictably add a link to a conspiracy theory site. While conspiracies do exist around the tragic event the established fact is that the 19 men were Muslims from Al-Queda who repeated Takbir in the final moments before the hit. They were Muslims. Either you are misled or you are insidiously downplaying Islamic terroism which is deeply problematic.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Did you read it? Read it once please. This post literally made me a Muslim, I wasn't a Muslim before.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder if he will read it?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair though, Reddit and Twitter bubbles don't require you to do hours of research to participate in a discussion

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The red pill is tough to swallow

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yup, you state that and then predictably add a link to a conspiracy theory site. While conspiracies do exist around the tragic event the established fact is that the 19 men were Muslims from Al-Queda who repeated Takbir in the final moments before the hit. They were Muslims.

How do you explain the Saudis and the FBI discovering that some of the hijackers may be alive and had their passports stolen, one possibly during a visit to America? This is from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks#Possible_cases_of_mistaken_identity

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the LA Times: FBI Chief raises new doubts over hijackers identities

https://www.thedossier.info/articles/latimes_fbi-chief-raises-new-doubts-over-hijackers-identities.pdf

[–]Wahwah[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

'Possibly' is an important word here. Even if the insinuation is that the hijackers weren't all possibly Muslims but with stolen Muslim identities, the fact that the data fetched from the cockpit voice recorder of Flight 93 presents the hijackers repeatedly reciting Takbīr suggests to me that they were devout Muslims as no one would do that to plant false evidence before dying anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude, read the post start to finish. It is essential context for this conversation and you're just missing the context. That is why we talk over each other.

[–]Wahwah[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is just a caricature. Classic propaganda tactic to pick the most malicious translation possible. Either way, yes, indulge in freedom of speech and dissect the ideas instead of debunking a caricature.

What is your souce of stating that this is a 'malicious translation'? A translation is a translation, the content of it is malicious or otherwise. Do you speak Arabic?

Freedom of speech does not protect inciting violence against nations. The Islamic states do not even have such concepts in the first place.

[–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Muslims only come in when they are allowed in to work.

But chain migration exists so this is already false.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But chain migration exists so this is already false.

The lottery system in America is messed up for sure. I'm in Canada, we have a purely merit based system. You only come if you contribute to the economy, it is that simple. It is the Canadian government's fault for letting people buy passports if anything, my family came here to contribute

[–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I honestly think that immigration should be limited depending on the needs of the country. Merit based is a good start and should be the foundation of any immigration policy.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly think that immigration should be limited depending on the needs of the country. Merit based is a good start and should be the foundation of any immigration policy.

No disagreement here. It is fair to restrict immigration according to the needs of a country, to suggest anything else is simply bad policy.