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[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

i don't think people realise the amount of money and time spent perfecting hacking our minds by the advertising industries. I worked alongside some of those researchers in the 90's, writing code for their studies. The basic algorithmic mind fuck we were playing with then was bad enough - i felt the karmic repercussions for decades - so by now we must be puppets on a string.

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Ah, I did a number of years of training with 'Bandler & Grinder' (co-founders of NLP) and associates in the early 90s. We can be hacked like a computer by a skilled operator, or well written software.

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interesting. I worked with one of their daughters. i think that is vague enough to keep me anon still.

Did you ever work through John Lilly's metaprogramming / human biocomputer stuff? There are mechanisms to become aware of the manipulation of your ego layers.

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In this pioneering study, renowned scientist Dr. John C. Lilly explodes our sense of the boundaries of the human brain, as he details his controversial experiments with exploring the mind's vast potential. Starting from the position that man is essentially a biological computer, Lilly explains we are all born with some "programs" -- such as eating, sleeping, and feeling pain -- ingrained in our genetic code. Our ability to take in new information and to develop ideas beyond these innate programs depends on our capacity for "metaprogramming," or learning to learn.

Then Lilly goes on to explore his process of metaprogramming power with LSD and sensory deprivation, according to this source.

Bandler came out with a twist on NLP called Design Human Engineering, where you essentially take the NLP skills and use them to create an image of a mental 'control panel', in all representational systems, with buttons, sliders, and switches you link to your entire experience of the world.

From this panel, you then create your desired experience by adjusting the submodalities in any given representational system and context. It has more depth to it than that description. Here's a useful critique and comparison of DHE to NLP.

https://www.neurosemantics.com/a-critique-of-the-strengths-and-weaknesses-of-dhe/

Those early days were pretty wild and crazy. It's been awhile since I've been involved, and have been living my life as a normal for the most part. Imo, you can have too much knowledge and control over your (and others) experience, and there's something to be said for living simply and as it happens. But that's just my opinion. For anyone interested in this kind of thing, it's a fascinating and useful way of experiencing consciousness.


https://nlpco.com/ - Recommended training and info source.

http://www.steverrobbins.com/nlpschedule/w_neuro_linguistic_programming_definition.html

/u/Earendil

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Thanks, Node.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

👍

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Can you two please talk about this more publicly while still keeping your anonymity? This is useful information to learn. u/Node I think bob might be gone, so this may fall to you.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-psychology/memory-manipulated

This is along a similar vein, but provokes similar questions about being hacked. The very people that we're supposed to be able to go to for peace of mind may have the ability to alter memory.

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Kaitlin Luna: And how can human memories be manipulated?

Elizabeth Loftus:

  • They can be manipulated when people talk to each other after let's say some crime is over that they may have both witnessed.
  • They can be manipulated when they are interrogated by an investigator who maybe has an agenda or has a hypothesis about what probably happened and communicates that to the witness even inadvertently.
  • People can be manipulated when they see media coverage about an event, let's say it's a high publicity event that is talked about a lot on television or newspapers.

Thanks for this link. Depending on the 'strength' of the memory, even just the context in which you're remembering it can alter it. The human operating system is remarkably insecure. We don't need worry as much about those we seek out for help as much as those using more sophisticated technologies to manipulate whole societies through the internet and media.

Asked about her claims that creating false memories can be positive:

If I plant a false memory in you, does it have ripple effects, does it affect your later thoughts or your later intentions or your later behavior? And we've now shown that you can plant a false memory that you got sick eating a particular food, you got sick on pickles or eggs or strawberry ice cream and you don't want to eat as much of that food. We've planted false memories that you got sick drinking a vodka drink and you're not it is interested in the vodka drink. We've done the opposite, planted a warm fuzzy memory that you loved a healthy food, asparagus in our study, and people want to eat more asparagus. So if we can control people's nutritional selections and maybe help them live a healthier life maybe that's not a bad thing to do.

Not bad in theory, but what if it's vegan deciding what you should eat? Or, a Breatharian...