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[–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But confused here. How does the banning of e-cigs help any of the elite? If they are causing cancer, which would aid in depopulation, why would anyone at the top want to ban them? Maybe the argument that then these people would have to turn to regular cigarettes but that seems far fetched. Why not just buy up the vap companies & make a monopoly while still killing the peasants? Sometimes I think we look for consirpicy in everything & it's just not the case...

[–]VantaFount 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I can help here.
In 1989 the states sued Big Tobacco corporations. The result of this was called the "Master Settlement Agreement". This promised each state a percentage of tobacco profits from the sales of said products in each state. For years this was a steady form of revenue for each state, and they came to depend on these earnings, so much that some states (notably California and New York) actually began selling bonds based on the future sales of cigarettes in their states. With millions of people switching to vaping rather than smoking their yearly profits fell dramatically, and the bonds that were sold on the basis of projected sales became nearly worthless.
So now if the states want their cut of Big Tobacco money, they need a way to scare vapers back to smoking cigarettes instead. And that's what you're seeing here.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That doesn't clear anything up. Still the question would be why did they ban it instead of just changing the law so the they get a cut from the proceeds of the vaping industry now? Would be much easier than banning vapping & they wpuld still get their money. They would get to keep the money plus more & still get to depopulate faster. The fact that vaping is giving people cancer FASTER than smokong is what throws the monkey wrench in thw whole narrative for me. The main agenda of the elites is to thin out the peasant population so anything that is contrary to that I don't think fits the bill. Banning vaping instead of changing the law runs contrary to that so doesn't seem to fit.

[–]VantaFount 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"The fact that vaping is giving people cancer FASTER than smokong is what throws the monkey wrench in thw whole narrative for me."

Whoa, wait, back the truck up. Where is that nonsense coming from?

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lol nonsense, such a dismissive attitude. I'm not going to do the googling for you champ but look it but there are many recent studies showing at least a link in e-cigs and the risk of cancer. There are even some studies that are showing a direct link. There are also a ton on article's& studies that show the opposite, thats the point of disinformation. Also, let us not forget the new lung disease that vaping users are coming down with. So you tell me, where is this nonsense coming from? These studies are very recent and vaping is what only 5-6 years old when looking at the general public. Think on a couple years what the studies would come out with. It seems that vaping is causing individual consequences much quicker than cigarettes do or did.

Be that as it may you didn't answer my question or make it any clearer how this is a consirpicy. All you did was try to deflect with negativity& a question that you could answer yourself eith a little research. Step up the debate bud, lets here some good rebuttals not this "nonsense" you just put in the ether.

The pnly reason i posted on this submission is because i believe people try to find conspiracy in everything. Case in point in this post here. Thry want us to spend our time pn sillyness like this. It's the goal of disinformation. If yoyre taking time and braincells talking about a e-cig conspiracy then youre attention can't be on what really matters.

[–]VantaFount 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

brushes off the top of the Soapbox

Sorry I couldn't stick around this morning in order to properly debate this with you, but I was scheduled to work. Fortunately in this format we can continue on at any time.

While I'm pleased to see your interest in debate , I do need to note that Onus Probandi; the Burden of Proof, tends to rest upon the person making a claim. You can't simply deflect the responsibility to show proof of your assertion.

In this case you have claimed that "vaping is giving people cancer FASTER than smokong" [SIC]
And you're right.... that I'm quite dismissive of this claim. It's every bit as nonsensical as when people were telling me "Those vapes are giving people popcorn lung!" Because there has never been a case of popcorn lung caused by vaping flavors that contain diacetyl, acetylpropionyl, or any other undesirable chemical.

And I suspect you cannot produce a single case that will show that a person's Cancer has been directly attributed to Vaping.

Vaping has actually been around for more than a decade in the United States, and even longer in China, where the invention was first developed. I myself started vaping six years ago, in order to counteract a fifteen year long smoking habit that had spread to 2.5 packs per day. (45-50 cigarettes)
I now work for an FDA-registered E-liquid Manufacturer, and my two main jobs are to help people stay away from cigarettes, and counteract disinformation such as yours.

You may not be aware, but the Royal College of Physicians (UK) performed a multi-year study on a wide array of vaping products. Their conclusion was, quote* "the hazard to health arising from long-term vapour inhalation from the e-cigarettes available today is unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco."

You might have heard of the Royal College of Physicians before. These are the people that were telling the British populace back in the 1960s that cigarettes would give you cancer and likely kill you.

Meanwhile on American television we were seeing commercials stating 'X out of Y Doctors Recommend This Brand of cigarette over it's competitors'

Recently, the National Health Service (UK) has seen fit to allow vape shops to be put in hospitals* in order to help patients/smokers make the switch to something that they feel is proven to be less harmful, and to help people stay off of combustible tobacco.

"Also, let us not forget the new lung disease that vaping users are coming down with."[SIC]
There is indeed an illness that is raising questions about vaping in the US. (and only the US. Literally no other country is having such illnesses) but I believe you're throwing your blame at the wrong target. From the reports that the victims are giving, this seems to be more related to black-market cartridges of "vapable" THC. We in the vaping industry have labelled this activity "Danking" because the US media refused to delineate the two activities from one another. In a majority of the cases the THC seems to be suspended in an oil, and in others the product also seems to have been "cut" with Tocopherol (Vitamin E Acetate) in order to make the mixture look thicker, and emulate the viscosity of legitimate THC vape cartridges that come from states where THC consumption is legal, regulated, and held to industry standards.


Vaping fats and oils causes a disease called Lipoid Pneumonia.

And if you go creating a black market for ALL vaping products, you can be fairly certain you'll be seeing a lot more people die.

People are making these counterfeit "Danking" cartridges because there is a Black Market.
In states where THC use is illegal you can sell a 1mL THC "Dank Cart" for $60-$80. Counterfeit cartridges can be made with oil-dissolved THC, and you can even buy appropriate packaging to make the Dank seem legitimate, for roughly $5-10 each. That's an incredible profit margin.

And just to let you in on a little trade secret: Most legitimate nicotine e-liquid isn't expensive to produce either. The label tends to be the most expensive part of the entire bottle. But when you walk into a Legitimate vape shop, it's not simply the bottle of e-liquid you're paying for; It's also the comfort that your e-liquid isn't going to kill you just because some crackpot decided it would be a good idea to add things like powdered deer antler velvet (this really happened*) to the liquid to make it more "natural" and "healthy".

If the millions of vapers in the US were suddenly denied access to their preferred form of nicotine, you would see two major effects.
1) Lots of people wouldn't bother fighting the ban. They'd stop in at the corner store, see that familiar guy behind the counter, and grudgingly ask for a pack of smokes
2) There would be a nicotine e-liquid black market. People would be mixing up liquids in their own homes, cutting it with who knows what, adding any sort of sweeteners they had on hand, selling the bottles for $1 per mL or more, and making a Lot of money.

"i believe people try to find conspiracy in everything." [SIC]
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Conspiracy has a very simple, broad definition. Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal.
I would argue that news media purposely obfuscating important facts in order to give legislators the pretense to ban something that is A} Not likely to be the cause of the illness, and B} is not bringing State governments the profits they desire
would qualify as Conspiracy.

We can certainly agree that focus needs to be spent on important matters, but this topic directly affects me, just as it affects everyone that is trying to get away from the biggest man-made epidemic in human history: The Chemically-Cured Tobacco Cigarette.

[–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There it is. Love it bro keep it coming!

[–]dcjogger[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The future looks extremely grim.

The elites have set up a system where nothing can change.

The globalists control Hollywood, Wall Street, the media, and the government.

The ruling class uses carrots and sticks to force Americans to be compliant.

The moral politician can either take campaign donations from the globalists and embrace debt, wars, and tyranny or work hard and pay taxes that fund war, debt, and tyranny to self-finance a political campaign.

The 1% can use the media to run hit pieces on politicians who love freedom, peace, and balanced budgets. The press can use unnamed sources to lie about honest candidates or find workers, employers, friends, or family members who were involved in a scandal. The Deep State can hack voting machines or threaten, drug, or kill moral politicians.

Americans will not resist because they are too distracted by bread and circuses, degenerate, depraved, degraded, and immoral and are dependent on Obamacare, Obamaphones, food stamps, and Section 8.

Wide-scale resistance is unlikely because of NSA wiretapping.

Brave patriots who attack police stations and government buildings will be vilified by the press as kooks and lone wolves.

Any Americans who support wars, debt, and the police state is considered to be normal and will get a paycheck or a sale.

The 1% scare Americans to beg for their chains.

The elites can get Americans to beg for a wall that will keep Americans in by running stories about scary illegal aliens.

The ruling class can say TSA groping is needed because of Muslims.

The globalists say guns must be banned because of blacks.

The ruling class says a trade war is needed to stop cheap Chinese prices.

The ruling powers say rent control and a minimum wage is needed to fight inflation.

The globalists say taxes must be raised to pay for US debt, wars, and tyranny.

The 1% says checkpoints are needed to stop drunk-drivers.

The elites say smoking bans are needed to help the state meet private prison quotas.

The most logical response to an environment like this is for the moral American to leave now.

Lose your name, stop carrying a mobile phone around, use cash, buy guns and gold, go Galt, dropout, go off the grid, and be like the Amish.

[–]dcjogger[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


Americans are such crippled retards today that they slam icepicks into their eyes and then beg their beloved government overlords for a decree that outlaws icepicks.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Can't Americans boycott products that they don't like?

[–]dcjogger[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No country in history has ever hated freedom as much as the USA does.

You know that all hope is lost when you talk to 5 Americans in one day and one says that the Bill of Rights should be repealed, another says blacksmithing should be illegal, one swears wearing fur should be a crime, one says private charities should be outlawed, and another says bump stocks must be banned.


[–]Ian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Republican Party stands for free markets and individual liberty, or so its platform states. But apparently that all goes out the window when Republicans win the White House and decide to cave to media pressure and ban stuff they don’t like.

Republicans would uphold a ban on heroin, they hate individual liberty the commies.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does anyone get the feeling that the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some Americans may have thought that tyranny would never come to the US because the rich, celebrities, media, politicians, and American people would resist.

Who would have thought that the rich would loot the country by getting bailouts and subsidies while being the ones conspiring and building the police state by paying actors, singers, and atheletes to distract Americans with bread and circuses, using reporters to push propaganda, real crises, and false flags, and buying off and corrupting politicians with campaign donations and cushy job promises to start wars, import refugees that weaken and divide the US, drive up the debt, make laws that enslave Americans, and throw crumbs to pacify the 99% in the form of food stamps, Obamacare, Obamaphones, and public housing?

The destruction of the USA is nearly complete.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The USA used to be a free country and you could trust the news. Now the US is a police state, the corporations and the government are the same, and the media just tells lies.

When the US was a free country, everyone thought that Timothy McVeigh was an evil terrorist. Now that the USA is a police state, McVeigh looks like a hero.

How can Americans walk around like everything is normal when they live in a bankrupt warmongering police state?

Dropout today. Go Galt. Go off the grid. Quit paying taxes. Starve the beast.

The government and the illegal aliens don't obey the law, why should Americans?