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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's also the House of Representatives vs the Senate, the senate gives more representation to states, and the house of representatives is proportional to the population in each state. I'm on the fence about the usefulness of the Electoral College, myself. Especially with how much super-delegate rigging (bribing) there is.

[–]littlepinkhouses 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. The House represents by population and the Senate represents by state. The Electoral College combines them both so it is a fair balance of representation by population and by state.

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Proportional perhaps.. The tragedy of trump backing down on adding a citizenship question on the census, is there have been numerous reports that many illegal aliens are being counted as to increase their states house delegates.

Should they be considered? I'm not sure, but I think this should be discussed at the least.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The electoral college needs to go.

The electoral college delegates are already proportional to the state population, so the popular vote of the citizens is effectively nullified. There isn't really a significant benefit.

The fact that some states have are "winner takes all" elector laws is outrageous. These states are the locations of the majority of election fraud by the two parties.

Specifically, Florida and Ohio.
These are the focus of both parties campaigns, because presidential elections can be easily stolen by cheating in a relatively small number of voting precincts.

Get rid of the electoral college, and the fraud of red states and blue states will fade within a decade.
No state will go for any party, because all of the individual votes count.

On a somewhat related, but unpopular topic.

The founding fathers were actually concerned about the possibility of real democracy, so they rigged it with the electoral nonsense.

The main idea was, "to protect the minority of the opulent, from the majority".

So we got the electoral college, and the Senate.

Federal senators used to be appointed by each state's house of representatives. The public didn't vote for them.
Early senators were unelected officials.
The Senate has the power to approve/reject federal judges (and other appointments), so they can tip the checks and balances.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing. However, the system can works 200 years later, so...

If you want your vote to count, then get rid of the electoral college. The smaller states won't have less if a vote. The votes will be more proportional. All of them.

Force the parties to cheat at more voting precincts, so they'll get caught somewhere.
They won't stop cheating, so we should make it much more difficult to get away with it...

Edit: The guiding principle "to protect the minority of the opulent, from the majority" hasn't really changed much.

The wealthy corporations pay lower tax rates, and receive more benefits. Corporate personhood should be abolished, to end the modern version of slavery.

The corporate owner class (opulent) understand that they run the country.

Unfortunately, most people don't recognize that they have been enslaved...

[–]cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...and five or six forever-democrat pesthole cities would choose the president until the end of time.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US is collapsing now.

How can you live if you want to get rich, but your conscience bothers you too much to pay taxes that fund wars, debt, and tyranny?

Americans want to live in a police state to feel safe, but do you really feel safe when you have no rights? Americans today must lie to have privacy and distrust people because they might be undercover police.

There are no indications that the elites are planning to end NSA wiretapping and no one is protesting tyranny, debt, wars, TSA groping, gun bans, forfeiture, indefinite detention without trial, extradjudicial assassinations, or CIA torture.

The US economy is a house of cards.

Do you think that record debt and the record stock market are a coincidence?

Do you really believe that your bank account cannot be zeroed out, your bank will not close, and your ATM card will always work?

If you have been watching the US decline over the past 35 years, you must reach a point where you just can't take anymore.

Americans may know about the collapse, but they seem to lack a sense of urgency about preparing.

Americans shouldn't just buy a gun. Americans should buy 10 guns today. Americans shouldn't just buy a 3 day supply of food. Americans should buy enough food to last a year now.

There's no hope for the USA. The US is no longer a democracy and the voting machines can be hacked.

The only thing the government understands is force. Nothing will change in the US until politicians start fearing for their lives.

Americans need to start thinking out of the box.

Americans should research buying sailboats, farms, and islands and getting a 2nd passport.

One way to resist the US collapse is to start a new country.

The Free State Project set a goal to have 20,000 Libertarians move to New Hampshire.

Tuvalu has population of 10,000 so if 20,000 Libertarians moved there, Libertarians could vote for laws that favored freedom, balanced budgets, and peace.

https://www.eagletribune.com/news/new_hampshire/liberty-minded-people-pledge-to-move-to-new-hampshire/article_06ef9452-d679-11e5-928b-5377c34c14fc.html

https://whatdewhat.com/10-countries-smallest-populations-world/

Americans should consider living in places with porous borders.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000099083/how-illicit-trade-in-guns-sugar-thrives-along-porous-border

Americans could live in uninhabited places like the Amazon, Siberia, or unclaimed places.

http://eskify.com/10-places-with-no-laws/

Start a commune or a monastery.

Americans who think that the US collapse is due to illegal immigrants should make movies and start websites, newspapers, and magazines or white rights associations.

Racists might be safer if they stayed anonymous, spoke in code, and portrayed their magazines politically correctly as European Christian magazines instead of Nazi and KKK publications. Avoid hiring Jews. Publish articles about morality, balanced budgets, freedom, and peace. Praise places like Poland and Montana and criticize places like Detroit and Kenya. Consider using volunteers and distributing issues for free.

Pass the word.

Americans need to start making huge sacrifices now if they want to have any future.

http://f2bbs.com/bbs