Robert F. Kennedy: It Looks Like Almost Every Mass Shooter Is On SSRI Drugs and NIH will not study that because it will offend the pharmaceutical industry.”

submitted by [deleted] from (realclearpolitics.com)

all 38 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]iamonlyoneman 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Pic related

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My nigga

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

he saidit!

[–]MuskyIndependent 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And RFK Jr. continues to repeat what I say.

You think he's on Saidit, watching me?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, its just another one of those genius minds thinking alike things

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Is it the drugs or is it that people who do mass shooters (minus the gang-bangers) have a history of mental illness and therefore have been prescribed SSRI's?

[–]MuskyIndependent 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Tagging u/Phooey so he'll see when RFK Jr copies my next hot take: there's really no such thing as mental illness as we understand it. It's all a hardware problem and/or a natural response to the environment. They're all natural responses really, because the alternative would be some unnatural response. Accepting that undesirable behaviors are still totally natural for people is a step in the right direction to providing a way for these people to function in society, or at least not have society victimized by the extreme cases. I.e. the crazy subway dudes are never going to be normal. There isn't an illness to cure, that's just how they are.

Also, viruses play a larger role I suspect than is currently accepted in causing alterations to our brains that result in the so-called mental illnesses.

Anyways, so some people are just more likely to be capable of these things, their temperament predisposes them, but normally there's a check on that sort of behavior through empathy -- these terms are imprecise btw, and the SSRIs dampen that emotional balance. They numb you.

So some small amount of people, to whom getting a high body count before being checking out of life is appealing, find themselves on drugs that take away the last reason for not actually doing it.

Anti-depressants are a failed class of medication.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

there's really no such thing as mental illness as we understand it

Mental illness is a horrible term. What we term mental illnesses are not diseases.

It's all a hardware problem and/or a natural response to the environment.

Agreed. What we call depression often (not always) has a sociological basis rather than being a congenital hardware problem, like PTSD (PTSD can cause brain changes, but the environment is clearly causal). Other conditions such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder seem to be hardware related

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there's really no such thing as mental illness as we understand it.

A very interesting statement, but difficult to analyze because of exactly the lack of precision you are pointing out: "as we understand it". "Mental illness" is a free-for-all term. I myself have been using it far too freely in my comments recently in just this fuzzy way that your comment is correctly skewering.

What I see in our society is the "educated" class throwing themselves headfirst - and hard - against the wall of reality on a range of issues. Their ideals are turning out not to be in alignment with human behavior, but rather than adjust their ideals accordingly, they double, triple, quadruple down on the mandates to conform to concepts that manifestly don't work. This is causing, no surprise, tremendous stress, especially among the younger generations, as they try to wrap their heads around the fact that everything they are being taught is "right" cannot actually happen because people are not who they think we are. They seek relief from this stress through medication, because that's also what their teaching is telling them: mental distress is caused by their own wiring; it cannot be that their ideals are wrong, so they must have something wrong with them. The chemical alteration then makes things even worse.

The "mental illness" crisis that so many are talking about (including, I am embarrassed to admit, me) is actually a behavioral culture crisis being amplified by poorly understood and utilized psychoactive medications. It doesn't help that the medical profession is one of the most profoundly affected communities when it comes to this mismatch of ideals versus the reality of human behavior.

Thanks for a great comment.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, if we could give awards, I'd give you all of them. Your insight is so bright and strong, I think I'm going blind.

[–]ID10T 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's always been crazy people. The mass shootings have increased with the rise of SSRI usage. Correlation does not equal causation but it's certainly worth a few studies.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would say that mass shootings have increased, at least in part, to media coverage.

[–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of these people would have previously been locked away in asylums, far from weapons and schools.

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shootings have increased since the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act.

[–]AXXA 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the good kind of question that should always be asked in science. But at the minimum, does it seems like SSRI drugs aren't necessarily the best answer?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it the drugs or is it that people who do mass shooters (minus the gang-bangers) have a history of mental illness and therefore have been prescribed SSRI's?

I agree its important to determine to the direction of causality when confronted with these correlations.

My personal take on this is its probably the SSRI's. Clinical depression is extremely common, and many people are unmedicated. I would expect to see a substantial number of these mass shooting cases where people were dealing with untreated depression, but it seems like all of them were on SSRI's.

That and there is evidence, despite mass resistance to any sort of negative talk about these drugs.

https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4

[–]POOPCORN 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having suffered from some minor mental dysfunction for most of my life and the fact that I have been around a lot of mental patients I can assure you that people that take psychiatric drugs they only get worse their symptoms.

When I was in jail in the '90s one of the inmates there shared with me one of his psych drugs and I swear to God I had dreams that were three dimensional and in full color it was like I was literally there.

Nobody gets better from taking psych drugs they only get worse

Which should explain to you why my personal choice is not take any psych drugs at all

I was locked up in a mental hospital for a few months I checked myself in by the way and the young girl came in they was acting very normal other than the fact that she was there on a suicide call she had threatened to kill herself but other than that she was a very normal person and they told her that she could go home just as soon as she took her medication she thought she was just going to take a pill and they would open the door and let her go home but those pills knocked her out for like 2 weeks and when she came out of her bedroom I would describe her as having been given pharmaceutically induced schizophrenia she was a f****** lunatic

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

[deleted]

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most people wouldn't end up as mass shooters, either. Could be that shooters have been previously flagged for violent abnormal behavior and therefore been given SSRI's. Most people on SSRI's don't become murderers. Could be that the SSRI's pushes some further into their violent potential. Could be that SSRI's can't save everyone. I don't know.

    [–]TheMaharishi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    One thing I know is that giving drugs to people with mental illness is very rarely a good thing. Unless they're actively a danger to themselves or others.

    Then you have the whole depression is often caused by somebody's life being objectively shit. Making said life less shit will cure the depression. Giving the person drugs will only mask the symptoms of life being shit and postpone finding a real solution. The top three causes of depression no friends, no partner & nothing worthwhile to do. Having a job does not equal having something worthwhile to do.

    It's probably better to simply smoke cannabis than to go on some weird untested shit they only made to make money.

    [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have always been non-violent. One time I go to my doc because of EXHAUSTION (and NOT depression!) but he prescribes me an SSRI and tells me to take half a dose.

    Within a half hour I became utterly bloodthirsty, I wanted to see people bleed and die, I wanted to see streets run with the blood of innocents. I was actually quite terrified that I would act out on these impulses, but eventually they subsided and I never took those pills from hell again. I came SO CLOSE to becoming a murderer.

    This is of course a n=1 anecdote, but still... It's gotta be worth SOMETHING in the court of saidit-opinion?

    [–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Maybe it's that the majority have been hired or misled by our own govt to perpetuate these psyops. That muddies the water on motives and true mental health of "shooters".

    [–]FreakyFalangistNational Justice Party 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Real shit

    [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I have always been non-violent. One time I go to my doc because of EXHAUSTION (and NOT depression!) but he prescribes me an SSRI and tells me to take half a dose.

    Within a half hour I became utterly bloodthirsty, I wanted to see people bleed and die, I wanted to see streets run with the blood of innocents. I was actually quite terrified that I would act out on these impulses, but eventually they subsided and I never took those pills from hell again. I came SO CLOSE to becoming a murderer.

    This is of course a n=1 anecdote, but still... It's gotta be worth SOMETHING in the court of saidit-opinion?

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    SSRI's are sometimes given for physical pain. It was an option for me when I had a herniated disk in my neck because the pain wouldn't allow me to sleep. I fought through it until the Meloxicam kicked in.

    [–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If I was American, I'd vote for this guy.

    [–]newguy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    It's so weird to hear a sitting senator actually say some real shit for once

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This is a different Kennedy (There's a fucking lot of them). RFK Jr is a lawyer, he hasn't ever held a public office. He is known for winning some major multi-billion dollar lawsuits against Monsanto (for glyphosate) and DuPont (for forever chemicals)

    [–]newguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.

    [–]ShoahKahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In the astronomically unlikely chance that he looks like he will get the [D]onkeycrap nomination, he'll meet with the same fate as his father and uncle. He'll be executed in prime time, if it looked like he was going to becoming president.

    ►America's two-Knesset (((system)))

    [–]passionflounderIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The shootings feed the anti-gun narrative. Every incident is framed accordingly by the political establishment and media.

    [–]SoCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    People like to counter this with, 'but they stopped taking it or only took it for a short time,' which is 100 times worse.

    SSRI's must be slowly taken off of by stepping down the dosage. Permanent mental damage can occur otherwise.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    SSRI's must be slowly taken off of by stepping down the dosage.

    Yep, unfortunately have first-hand experience with this.

    [–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The lives and happiness of almost everyone I know who has started SSRIs has gotten notably worse in ways that are obvious to anyone watching. I was offered them during a very depressing period of my life and had to tell my doctor that I was depressed because life was just depressing right now, that's not depression and shouldn't be medicated. I also went through a period of depression a year later and coincidentally was diagnosed with anaemia a month or so into it. A few days on iron and my depression was gone. Turns out a lot of depression is a nutritional deficiency but doctors almost never test for physical problems with simple fixes before handing out SSRIs. People with auto-immune deficiencies often produce less endorphins, so can be more prone to depressive symptoms and should do a little extra exercise to boost them. Lack of Vitamin D causes depression, so people should go outside more without sunblock or take Vitamin D if they can't get enough sunlight. A vegan diet can cause depression through lack of various nutrients, so they should get their creatine, choline, iron, Vit D and B12, etc, checked and then at least supplement if not go back to eating meat, eggs and dairy. Anyone presenting with depression should be checked out physically because there will very often be a physical source that can be effectively treated. And also their life circumstances should be discussed to work out if external issues are the problem and 'shitty period of life' should not be medicated for.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    So Robert F Kennedy doesn't realise how academic publishing works.

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    A fence is never given.
    A fence is only taken.

    [–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How about they reveal how many mass shootings have been hoaxes or false flags and then we can dig into real numbers?

    [–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    SSRI can really mess with the brain if the person is not mentally ill but is given it because a teacher said he/she/they/it is mentally ill because they can't control them. The Columbine shooters were on SSRI and it made them sociopaths.

    [–]aaarrgh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    offending big pharma, we can't have that, can we?