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[–]raven9 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You literally have no clue what you are talking about.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, I do. Economics 101 TINSTAAFL There is no such thing as a free lunch. You pay for it eventually.

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You prove my point. No one who understands socialism believes it means free. In an ideal socialist system, the people of a nation jointly own their infrastructure and resources and they elect government to manage it.

For example, roads. The roads are public infrastructure. That means owned by the people, paid for by taxation and managed by government so they are built and provided to the nation's drivers at cost which they pay by road tax.

If roads were capitalist you would pay tolls to drive on them and in a free market economy those tolls would be as high as the market could stand and it would be just like gasoline, you have no choice but to pay whatever they charge.

Now if you reversed that last example and the gasoline industry was socialized, the people would own the oil drilling rigs and refineries and the price at the pumps would reflect the cost of producing the gasoline or you might just pay for it as part of the road tax. Either way the cost to the driver would be a fraction of what we pay to provide oil companies with hundreds of billions of dollars in profits under the capitalist system.

Another point to be made about socialism, is the ordinary working people have a much higher status in society. The socialist workplace is usually unionised and their union leaders negotiate their wages and conditions with the government to reach a deal where the workers are well treated, well paid and have on the job training, paid vacation, sick pay, retirement plans etc.

Under the capitalist system employee pay and conditions are considered a cost, detrimental to profits so employee pay and conditions are kept to a minimum to ensure maximimum profits for the owners.

So now do you see? The capitalist elites, AKA The Ruling Class are the ones who hate socialism because if they cannot own the national infrastructure and resources they cannot screw their populations for massive profits.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For example, roads. The roads are public infrastructure. That means owned by the people, paid for by taxation and managed by government so they are built and provided to the nation's drivers at cost which they pay by road tax.

Roads are not socialism. LOL. What a dumb comment. Why even bother writing it?

Socialism is government control of the means of production.

the ordinary working people have a much higher status in society.

LOLOLOLOLOL

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