60 percent of Likely Voters Agree “Climate Change Has Become a Religion.” “Climate change has become a religion that ‘actually has nothing to do with the climate’ and is really about power and control.”

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[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The rise in temperature won't cause the population drop directly. Rather it's the nuclear war that does that. (Which will raise temperatures locally by thousands of degrees temporarily but cause a global cooling phenomenon afterwards).

I suggest you learn more about nuclear war, there is an excellent museum in Nagasaki on the topic. You can learn about the children being burned alive in their school then go out for ice cream and designer shopping at the haute dutch shopping street.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Back in 2000 the anthropogenic part of climate change killed about 160,000. It'll be worse now. Cause of death of nearly half: malnutrition.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again gonna have to see a source before I buy that. We can say "climate change killed this many people" but the real answer is more "it's complicated"

Did climate change kill the Jews during World War 2? I can draw lines between the industrial revolution and it's consequences and the rise of Nazism. Doesn't mean that the CO2 emissions made Hitler decide to murder Jews. Even if it's an element in the larger interactions of geo-political mechanisms as a whole.

Most of the populist climate change stuff is just political fundraising grifts. Ban the plastic straws save the planet. Well sure not tossing them in the ocean is definitely a good thing and I'm very much in favor of harsh penalties for littering. (Think chain gangs and the like).

But is that plastic straws making the planet warmer. Lol no.

The real problem with a lot of this shit is the third world countries that don't really have the economic power yet to give a single fuck about the environment. Go to Mongolia. Burning coal like no tomorrow. Trash everywhere. Vietnam, slightly better but same shit. China, much better than it used to be but still far from optimal.

You wanna fix this shit you've gotta push heavy into technology that is containable but at a certain point you've got to accept that there are pros and cons and some degree of change of the environment is going to happen and is desirable to the alternative.

The climate movements in their populist stances play I to this almost reverent awe of "nature" and a belief that humans are the evil element that that "nature" is somehow this superior state of homeostasis or some such shit. It's a borderline genocidal ideology but it's not new it's from the old "there's too many people we all going to die" nonsense that was popularized with shit like the "population bomb".

More politicized this gets the harder it is to manage. Got the climate grifters on the one side selling nonsense with fear mongering and the people on the otherside seeing the shit and complete ignoring the problems. All together you've got people making a great deal of money scaring the shit out of everyone. The planet is dying on the one side. They wanna genocide you on the other. The latter is closer to the truth as it's the obvious reactionary position to the former. If you want to get past it you've gotta stick to the cold hard facts with no narrative spin. Good luck with that now.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again gonna have to see a source before I buy that. We can say "climate change killed this many people" but the real answer is more "it's complicated"

It's an estimate. From Impact of regional climate change on human health, Patz et al, Nature (2005)

Pollution isn't climate change. There's 4 threats causing the mass extinction we're seeing. Habitat loss, change change, pollution, over-exploitation. They're basically independent of you only count land use change as habitat loss, and not the range changes from climate change.

it's not new it's from the old "there's too many people we all going to die" nonsense that was popularized with shit like the "population bomb".

We're lucky population growth has slowed. But there's more people than the planet can carry.

Got the climate grifters on the one side selling nonsense with fear mongering and the people on the otherside seeing the shit and complete ignoring the problems.

There's a false equivalence there. On one side there's people wanting policy to be informed by the science. Then there's the fossil fuel money backed opinion that the science is wrong.