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[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Actually I think this will surprise a lot of early life checkers.

[–]Bonn1770Republican Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even need to check anymore.

[–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unsurprising. Guys generally have more important things to do with their time than sitting around bitching about stuff.

[–]ShekelPa 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oy vey, I wonder what else they have in common

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"They're insular and don't really integrate into the societies in which they live, other than to engage in far left identity politics and extract profit. They practice a religion that notably lacks any tradition of evangelism, and in this (and its generally opaque nature) this religion serves mostly to isolate them and conserve wealth within the group. The good news is that there are very few of them."

India enters the chat

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's a meme. He's describing the selection process of the person who made the meme.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Blue

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I don't get it chipit.

It's a photo of headlines someone has curated.

Someone else went back and checked their work and found that they used overwhelmingly female headline writers?

This is not a fact about reality. You couldnt conclude that 67% of the world's headlines are written by women. It's only describing the selection process for this meme.

If you agree with me that actually this is a little bit retarded, you can just go ahead and post the word "blue" again as a shorthand for "site_sux is correct"

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I say blue, you say red. Get it?

Say the line, shill!

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay thanks for posting "blue", sounds like you agree with me here. Nice we finally found space for agreement on the retarded memes you post.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Say the line, shill!

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I don't know I think you're right about the reality of it but reality isn't really important in the world of propoganda.

I'll say it again, in a democracy the actual integrity of the system is totally irrelevant. Only thing that matters is that the public believes the system isn't corrupt.

We could count a grand total of zero votes, throw them all in the trash, but if the public believes they were counted the system works.

The system could be 100% legit on the level with zero corruption but if the public doesn't trust it then it's no better than if they had simply thrown all the votes in the trash.

Factual reality doesn't care about your feelings, but most people will believe their feelings over the facts, so reality is less important than narrative.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the world of propoganda

There is one item of propaganda which we can say for certain was created here, and that's the meme in OP.

I guess also the person who counted up the authors and tweeted the result was probably motivated by propagandistic purposes too maybe

Headlines get generated by writing students, op-eds, freelance writers, in their millions. Millions of headlines.

Monkeys picking headlines at random from among the billions, could end up showing you a meme just like OP.

So if you want to talk about a "world of propaganda" as if it's a real thing in a reality shared between you and I, then you need to approach the topic properly.

Without prejudice and following logical principles.

You don't just decide "I am deciding that my imaginary enemy propagandists are all women who hate fast cars", get a monkey to pick random headlines until twenty match your prediction about cars, and then try and tell me this is some scientific conclusion about the "world of propaganda".

Do it properly. Start with all headlines, the entire set of all headlines. Then, work out the percent of which, statistically, match the narrative in the OP meme. Then, work out how many were written by women or whatever.

And then you will have some science and we can talk about how u/chipit 's dumb memes prove the "world of propaganda".

Until then you're just a conspiracy theorists trying to tell me the Illuminati run the media. Well I disagree and think you're a moron for saying it. Prove it or shut up about it

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do it properly. Start with all headlines, the entire set of all headlines.

Lol. This is of course impossible. Which is part of the "game" of course.

You can't take all headlines because you don't know everything. There's publications you've never heard of. You've got to pick and choose. Set your criteria. I agree with you there that you can't simply cherry pick results and expect them to be useful, but the act of deciding what to pay attention to in the first place, even if you attempt to be fair about it, is by its very nature an action that creates a kind of bias.

Just to illustrate the concept. Take the top headlines of CNN today. Airline will suspend all flights to Moldovan Capital. Opinion: There is a path to ending Ukraine war. Etc. You can take that set on a single day, but you can't claim it represents everyday, got to check all of them everyday. But you can certainly glean patterns. Of course that's just one publication. You could add Fox News? Alright. Msnbc? Alright. But what about foreign news as well? BBC? Alright. Russia Today? Is that useful? Nikkei? How you gonna handle headlines like 日米同盟、危急の現代化 中国・北朝鮮・ロシアの複合危機 you can't even read? Then there's the hundreds of other languages in which the news is published.

Give this even a tiny amount of thought and you'll see how stupid the idea that you can somehow analyze the set of all headlines is.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay so define what your study is going to be about as the candidate publications.

What I mean is: "my study is going to be about German language publications and websites with Alexa rank over 5000"

Or "I am going to study how just the BBC have approached this issue"

You have to say upfront my study is going to be about for example all leftist publications according to this chart

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

That's how you do it. Not what the first propagandist did, which is, to just keep going through Nikkei or RuzziaToday or whatever the fuck until he had enough to make a meme. Or the second propagandist, who probably discarded a ton of memes until he found one with a good percent of women journalists.

but the act of deciding what to pay attention to in the first place, even if you attempt to be fair about it, is by its very nature an action that creates a kind of bias.

It's quite funny that your brain works well enough to accuse me of this. But you don't recognize it as the fatal flaw of chipit's stupid meme which you're still here defending.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not defending it. Pointing out that a removal of bias in this sphere is more or less impossible. All he did was fund a bunch of examples of racist articles written by bitchy women. My question, why should we care what bitchy racists think?

The answer is more that controversial and polarizing content drives more clicks than something resembling intelligent discourse. Though I think you'd be very hard pressed to find many "anti-white" opp eds that weren't incredibly stupid bitch fests simply because coming out the gate with such a clearly racist premise means you aren't going about this from a good faith position.

You can read white supremacist literature as well and it hits the same pitfalls, yeah the poor black thug is perhaps utterly incongruent with functioning in modern civilized society, hence why prisons exist, but what about the black person who isn't a stupid thug? Or what about the white trash idiot that is just as retarded as the inner city thug?

They're so hyper focused on this issue of "race" that they fail to realize that race isn't real. It's a social construct. Like literally is not just the liberal talking point. We shouldn't care about it. All this comes down to arguments surrounding different "cultures" and these are often driven by regional and economic class distinctions far more than any racial identifications. It's simply a case that the historical realities of the slave trade resulted in the economic underclass of slaves to come primarily from one racial group. But to say that racism was the problem with slavery is beyond stupid, if half the slaves were white it would still be slavery and still be evil. The racial makeup is largely irrelevant.

Culture on the other hand is far less irrelevant and does provide for certain attitudes and shall we say, realities of patterns of living, habits, etc, that do produce real differences in people's quality of living. This is not the same as race since while the cultural background of someone is very important to determine their most likely future habits, it's not the end all be all, and people have the free will to decide what they will do and what they will not.

What we see in the US today is an epidemic of the slave mindset. From black people. Literally spouting white supremacist ideology. And white people also spouting it but pretending to be compassionate because they "don't hate" or some shit.

You here it on the news blurbs often "white people are the oppressors" "white people have all the institutional power" etc. How is that functionally different than what white supremacists say? Only the tone has changed. They fully accept the idea that white people are their betters, they simply don't like it, whereas the white supremacist accepts it and enjoys their place of superiority. Feminists are no different in this manner as they inadvertently show that they believe that the "patriarchy" is their oppressor, therefore having the power, therefore they admit to themselves that men are their "betters" and their rulers.

It is entirely a slave mentality. People who aren't racist don't adopt such attitudes.

These journalists don't suck because they are women, they suck because they are bitches. Big difference. Do they represent all journalists? No. Do they represent what makes money in a news economy that prioritizes outrage and simplistic childish ways of viewing the world vs more nuanced and intellectually challenging pieces? Absolutely.

I enjoy being mentally challenged. I expect my news to reflect my identity as a person who wants to be mentally challenged.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blue

[–]MagicMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://apnews.com/article/animation-and-comics-business-e2266a2356d4159b7f43fdc095be9fcb

Dilbert creator says stay away from nig nogs. He’s right.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women are easy to influence.