Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," why aren't you?

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    [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

    post nose

    [–]BISH 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    post nose

    1-punch ko

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      [–]MightyMorphinFaggot 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      You didn't need to.

      [–]BISH 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Schwarzenigga = Socks

      [–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      It's a crude stupid statement tbh. I have plenty of issues with Jewish hegemony, but making cruel and juvenile comments about their noses only fuels their victim mentality and garners them sympathy.

      [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      "Pointing them out helps them"

      No, it doesn't

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        [–]LGBTQIAIDS 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

        It is an empirically-proven, Snopes-verified fact that 'Schwarzenigga', i.e. 'socks,' is the world's biggest connoisseur of black-on-Jew gay interracial pornography. The very top peer-reviewed journals have done plenty of studies confirming this, and only conspiratards deny it.

        Recently, 'socks' was absolutely incensed that he couldn't find a pilot mad enough to go and fetch the large number of homosexual groids trapped along the Poland-Ukraine border. He wanted them to be flown to San Franshitsco, where his favourite gay porn producers were planning to have them star in their latest 'movies'.

        Word was that he was spotted frequenting all of the gay porn shops in San Franshitsco in the hope of stockpiling as much of this degenerate filth as possible. The chronic, compulsive masturbator already has a whole bunker full of it. Basically, he's convinced that if Putin nukes San Franshitsco, production of black-on-Jew gay interracial pornography will drop to about zero. For 'socks', a world without such pornography isn't worth living in, so he's currently driving the last trailer-load he has of the filth to his bunker where, according to a recent interview he had, he'll be 'jacking it to the end of his days'. We know this because there have been reports that he's been leaving a trail of gay porn lying around on the local highway, due to the trailer being overfilled. Indeed, one driver reported that a gay porn Blu-Ray disc titled: Ten Blacks, One Jew flew from the trailer into the open window of his car.

        Supposedly, a homo Schlomo following this trail was caught knocking on the bunker door. 'socks' told him: 'First, you have to star in the latest black-on-Jew gay porn film, or else, fuck off!' The homo Schlomo is trying to find his way to the nearest gay porn studio right this moment.

        [–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

        Alt right =/= white supremacist.

        "Alt right" just means people on the political right who refuse to play along with a political party they think is ineffective. This is an organizational / strategic question. It has nothing to do with race.

        [–]ShoahEveryone 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

        Notice, that you frequently wish for the death of Trump, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk and a whole heap of other people, each and every one of whom share in common that they are your superiors in every conceivable way: wealthier, more famous, more successful, more intelligent, less degenerate, and so on and so on.

        Let us now contrast that which you hate to you yourself: an absolute nobody, not famous nor even liked by anyone, not successful, unintelligent, flagrantly degenerate and greatly sympathetic to the degeneracy of others, will be unremembered upon death, a pitiful social media addict who insists on ban evading to continue being a general stain on this site, &c.

        Notice that every single way in which you differ from the likes of Elon Musk is not merely a matter of difference, but a matter of obvious inferiority? That is, of course, no coincidence, au contraire, your inferiority is the cause of your hate.

        Indeed, White opposition to White ethnonationalism comes only from unintelligent Whites who, owing to the fact that they're as unintelligent as nonwhites, genuinely can't understand why other Whites think that they're inferior. Owing to the mass stupidity of today's Man, White ethnonationalism went from being the norm to aberrational, but that merely attests to the stupidity of Man.

        White ethnonationalist opposition, however, is always productively directed at obvious inferiors such as yourself, whose presence is in no way, shape or form useful for society, rather than the Left-wing, unproductive opposition to one's superiors, which stems from a juvenile 'Screw you, authority!' (which begins at hating parents and teachers and 'matures' into hating the state and the successful) mentality and only aims at bringing down everyone superior to oneself out of envy, fear and raw self-interest. For if scum like you were to destroy all of your superiors, you would no longer be reminded of your obvious inferiority, which would lift a weight of sorts off of your shoulders.

        Again, one is reminded of your constant wishing for the death of the likes of Elon Musk, for skinning Tucker Carlson alive and all sorts of other nonsense: you fear, firstly, that your intellectual and moral superiors, such as they, will awaken to the obvious fact that you are unworthy of life and thus seek to rid their societies of you; secondly, you hate that every single moment of every day you are reminded of your own inferiority by the very existence of superior people. After all, seeing Elon, Trump, &c. with all of their fame and wealth no doubt incenses you. It infuriates you to no end to see people succeed whilst you remain an abject failure as you approach old age.

        Leftists and liberals simply project their own petty juvenile emotionality onto others. We hate because we love our people and thus must hate that which threatens them; you hate, by contrast, merely because you're an envious, fearful scumbag who represents the very bottom of the barrel of humanity.

        Shoah!

        ✡️️

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          [–]SoCo 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

          I'm a center-left Democrat, always have been. It's just that DNC have become against democracy and no longer even resemble Democrat values. Also, today's left, has turned to alt-left nutjobs, and they call center-left right any more.

          It's all just posture shifting and faking support for any dumb-ass idea that draw in the campaign cash. Good, non-corrupt, politicians don't exist in a political system that gauges value and limits election entry, solely by the ability of each hustle cash like a crooked snake-oil salesman.

          Them calling everyone they disagree with "alt-right" or exaggeratingly associating them nefarious things, is just that fascist anti-democratic mindset showing through it's true colors.

          [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

          Fascism is not anti-democratic, it's anti-liberal but it is democracy par excellence. Every citizen has much more participation and influence in state affairs under fascism than liberal states.

          The rest of your comment is right though, the democrat party serve only their paymasters. Same as republicans. Hence why they both take completely nonsensical, self-contradictory etc positions constantly. It's all just theatre.

          [–]Alphix 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

          So many people fail to understand this about fascism because of all the brainwashing in the media, edumacatation and other bullshittery.

          [–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          it's anti-liberal but it is democracy par excellence. Every citizen has much more participation and influence in state affairs under fascism than liberal states.

          I also deeply believe this but I have trouble articulating it to people.

          [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The Origins and Doctrine of Fascism somewhat discusses this. (not doctrine of fascism)

          [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Page 28 / Chapter 13 (XIII)

          The Fascist State, therefore, as distinct from the Nationalist State, is an entirely spiritual creation. It is a national State, because from the point of view of Fascism, it is the result of spiritual action rather than a presupposition. The nation is never complete—nor is the State simply the nation in its concrete political form. The State is always in fieri. It is all always in our hands. It is therefore our own immense responsibility. But this State that realizes itself in the consciousness and will of the individual, rather than being imposed from on high, cannot have the same relationship with the people imagined by Nationalism. They imagined that the State corresponded with the nation, and conceived both as an already existing entity that it was not necessary to create, but which it was only necessary to come to know. That preexisting entity required a ruling class, characteristically intellectual, that sensed that entity, that first required to be known, understood, appraised, and exalted. The authority of the State was not a product, but a presupposition. It could not depend on the people, in fact, the people depended on the State. The authority that the people were required to recognize was the very precondition of life. Without that authority, sooner or later, one would have to acknowledge that survival was not possible. The Nationalist state was aristocratic state, that constructed itself out of the force it inherited from its origin, that made it valued by the masses. The Fascist State, on the other hand, is a popular state, and, in that sense, a democratic State par excellence. The relationship between the State and the individual is not that between it and one or the other citizen, but with every citizen. Every citizen shares a relationship with the State that is so intimate that the State exists only in so far as it is made to exist by the citizen. Thus, its formation is a product of the consciousness of each individual, and thus of the masses, in which the power of the State consists.

          [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          The "Democratic values" are just jewish values. That's why you dislike it.

          [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

          I'm sympathetic to some of these ideas. Homogenous societies do seem to run quite a bit smoother than diverse ones, but the alt-right ideology seems to regard race as the only meaningful type of homogeneity.

          I would far rather live in a country with a bunch of brown people who agreed with me about how society ought to be run, than a bunch of fellow white people who do not, and want to force me to conform to their ideals (looking at you white evangelical christians).

          I view race as a pretty imperfect heuristic for the things the alt-right often has them standing in for, such as intelligence, culture or other qualities. I'm not saying its inaccurate on a statistical population level, but this seems similar to mistaking correlation for causation

          [–]Alphix 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          That's a pretty reductive interpretation of the alt-right though. Sure, it's the caricature of it that gets pushed as being THE definition ("Alt-right = white supremacist") but it is in fact much more nuanced than that: Ethno-nationalism isn't a RACIAL position, it is simply that the racial aspect of ethno-nationalism is easily taken up by mass-media to try and paint this part of the political spectrum as extremely radical and potentially violent.

          If these media were to state something like "The Alt-Right are people who adhere to the notion that the more homogeneous a society, the better it would work out" then it would be easy to stustantiate this position with data, and all the hoopla about "racist thugs" vanishes the moment this becomes the accepted definition. But it is a much more valid one: Values, traditions and religion also play a MAJOR role in the homogeneity proposed by the alt-right mentality.

          There are white muslims, probably some who have multiple wives. They would not fit into a North American Alt-Right society even though they might have the "right" racial profile. Such a society would likely be all WASP, for these reasons, and not just "all white".

          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          That's a pretty reductive interpretation of the alt-right though.

          Perhaps, but this is an interpretation that OP has attested to in previous discussions I've had with him, which is why I focused on it. I am aware that alt-right can encompass anything from anarcho-fascism to white-christian nationalism depending on who is doing the defining.

          "The Alt-Right are people who adhere to the notion that the more homogeneous a society, the better it would work out"

          Well I do generally agree with this. I would also add the stipulation that large societies generally cannot accomplish this without significant oppression, and I very much question whether this is a good idea in that case (bigger is generally harder to ensure homogeneity). This seems to work in Japan with much less...coercion than in say China. If you have a large or diverse population, this kind of ideologically doesn't seem ideal

          [–]Alphix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          Well given that in ethno-nationalism it is the character of the people that defines the nation, the idea of having vast huge nations falls apart on its own. For example you could have multiple regions as ethno-states in the USA: New England, the MidWest, West Coast, etc. and you could have good homogeneity in each, provided the "correct" distribution of ethnic groups.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Yeah I think that arrangement would certainly work better than what we are doing right now (although maybe not that well for me, I don't fit any of the ideo-boxes that neatly). I also have no problem with small ethno-states, that is clearly an arrangement that works fairly well.

          However, I imagine if someone were to split the U.S. into ethnostates and stick me in my ethnopod, that I would still find myself surrounded by people (idiots) who disagree with me, only this is going to be less tolerated, and my society is going to be even more oppressive towards me and my non-conformity. These kind of societies are often all about tradition and orthodoxy rather than what is objectively best. It's the element of authoritarianism inherent in these ideologies that sours me on them. I don't share the character of the people of my nation or my genetic heritage all that much.

          Give me somewhere to go where I can be surrounded by people who are ideologically similar to me, and I would retract all my objections, I just don't think this can be achieved for me personally by organizing based on ethnicity, even if this would be better for your average person. Because honestly fuck the average person, I'm quite superior to them

          TLDR. I am so much smarter and better than my countrymen and genetic neighbors (or any group), I cannot be expected to conform to racial, cultural, or national norms. As an ubermensch I am bound to be at odds with these people, and they should NEVER have authority over me, as I am above them

          [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          As an ubermensch I am bound to be at odds with these people, and they should NEVER have authority over me, as I am above them

          Actually, it sounds like you're exactly like your countrymen.

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            [–]la_cues 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Isn't this the benefit to the compromise of having a union of States under a Fed? People have the ability to self organize within the union. The State's ability of self governance should have a stronger importance.

            the idea of having vast huge nations falls apart on its own.

            But what if each state was actually ok with working along side of, but also kinda separate from, other "ethno" states within the same union?

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            We see ideological migration with New Hampshire and The Free State Project. Alas, the Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination based on race, ethnicity, and religion.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Aren't you pretty much just playing right into HKP's hands? Doesn't he advocate ad-nauseum for the - irreversible - balkanization of the U.S.?

            [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Is there any evidence it wouldn't be beneficial? I am in Canada and I think it would be helpful to Canada if the same happened here.

            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

            I would far rather live in a country with a bunch of brown people who agreed with me about how society ought to be run, than a bunch of fellow white people who do not, and want to force me to conform to their ideals

            Problem is the inherent liberalism here. You are only counting for one generation and this would require a massive amount of micromanaging and bureaucracy to effectively select every citizen according to a list of criteria. It's incredibly easy to see how this falls flat, whereas just going along with nature is simple, easy, and in 99%+ of cases is more effective. Even if it's not more effective compared to that first generation of your Everyone-Agreeing-Utopia, the children of the first generation most likely aren't going to be in agreeance so there would be a constant need to kick out citizens and get in new ones. This type of experimental state could never possibly work.

            (looking at you white evangelical christians).

            Controlled by jews

            I view race as a pretty imperfect heuristic for the things the alt-right often has them standing in for, such as intelligence, culture or other qualities. I'm not saying its inaccurate on a statistical population level, but this seems similar to mistaking correlation for causation

            They're not, they're based on observations and studies. In any case these are of secondary importance, race is of primary importance. We want to live according to nature, with our own people. The goal isn't to live with people who are in a specific IQ range, with certain personality traits and it just so happens that white people are the best fit for that IQ range and set of personality traits.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            Even if it's not more effective compared to that first generation of your Everyone-Agreeing-Utopia, the children of the first generation most likely aren't going to be in agreeance so there would be a constant need to kick out citizens and get in new ones. This type of experimental state could never possibly work.

            I'm not sure you've excluded the possibility of this working. The beliefs, values and religion of ones parents and culture are the highest correlated predictors of the same qualities in the children. "Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world."

            Are there going to be some people who dont fit the ideological mould? Sure, but if you have organized into ideologically based states, and have free movement between them, what is precluding people from moving to an arrangement that would seem to be in the best interest of the both the individuals and the communities?

            and this would require a massive amount of micromanaging and bureaucracy to effectively select every citizen according to a list of criteria.

            I was thinking more along the lines of simply assigning an ideology to each state and people self selecting. They would simply be choosing something like 'White-Christian-Land' or 'Rainbow-Woke-burg' instead of 'Virginia'

            The goal isn't to live with people who are in a specific IQ range, with certain personality traits and it just so happens that white people are the best fit for that IQ range and set of personality traits.

            Well that sounds like a personal preference, in general you are probably not wrong about fit as would apply to most people, but in my personal case I don't feel a particular attachment to whatever precisely these 'white traits' are, and think most people in general are barely sentient imbeciles with terrible values and personalities, whites included. Even if I am fundamentally at odds with only 95/100 whites instead of 99/100 of whatever other color, I'd say that sentence about 'the goal' is my fundamental reason I would not identify myself as 'alt-right' as you define it, although I wouldn't begrudge you the right to live with a bunch of white people if thats what you want.

            You seem like a very intelligent guy, is it that hard for you to believe I might feel like I have more in common with a brown person with an IQ of 150 than a white person with an IQ of 100? Or a brown person of similar ideology rather than a bunch of white people whose ideology I despise? These are much harder qualities for me to find in people than whiteness, and I value them more

            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

            I'm not sure you've excluded the possibility of this working. The beliefs and values religion of ones parents and culture are the highest correlated predictors of the same qualities in the children. "Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world."

            For all of human history conservative ruralites have provided the children while cosmopolitan (liberal) coastal urbanites have had low birthrates. Yet the ideas of the City have always dominated. Things like 'liberals aren't having kids' 'conservatives will take over America because of birthrates' etc are copes, every generation has become more anti-social, libertine etc despite the fact that according to hereditarianism every generation should be even more rural/conservative/traditional in mindset.

            Are there going to be some people who dont fit the ideological mould? Sure, but if you have organized into ideologically based states, and have free movement between them, what is precluding people from moving to an arrangement that would seem to be in the best interest of the both the individuals and the communities?

            This is just an abstract fantasy again. This idea sounds ridiculous to literally everyone who isn't part of your liberal fantasies. Most people have no desire to be uprooted from their family, culture, traditions, homeland etc based on how they score on tests. Most people are NATURAL, meaning they live where their parents live, and where their parents before them lived. This atomised, individualistic, cosmopolitan is a symptom of the deracination that has been inflicted upon you by jews who don't want you to have an identity, a sense of who you are.

            I was thinking more along the lines of simply assigning an ideology to each state and people self selecting. They would simply be choosing something like 'White-Christian-Land' or 'Woke-burg' instead of 'Virginia'

            You already have that, and look how it's working for you.

            Well that sounds like a personal preference, in general you are probably not wrong, but in my personal case I don't feel a particular attachment to whatever precisely these 'white traits' are, and think most people in general are idiots with terrible values and personalities. I'd say that sentence is my fundamental reason I would not identify myself as 'alt-right' as you define it

            Indeed, deracination. But since you're a fan of abstractions and thought experiments:

            Town 1 - 90% Black, 5% White, 5% everything else

            Town 2 - Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Arabs, Indians etc every race you can imagine all in equal value

            Town 3 - 95% White, 5% everything else

            Based only on seeing the racial demographics, which one are you picking to live in? Which one do you think is most likely to be according to your values, the safest etc?

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Indeed, deracination. But since you're a fan of abstractions and thought experiments:

            Obviously I'd pick Town 3 - 95% White. But to borrow from you, I can already do something like that, and it isn't working out as well as I'd like.

            I'm fundamentally in agreement about the desirability of homogeneity, and yes race is very correlated with this, but there are still some things that give me pause here. Maybe you have a viewpoint I haven't considered.

            It seems like in this arrangement, more people will fundamentally agree about more things, but there is less room for disagreement from the consensus. As opposed to socially liberalish ideologies where there is less fundamental agreement, but more room to diverge. I have to say this gives me some pause. Very smart people are often non-conformists, and have new and threatening ideas. Galileo being jailed for his theories against christian orthodoxy comes to mind. I worry very much that this pressure to conform is coming from the mediocre masses, and would rather crush or oppress those who might have objectively better ideas than them. This might very well work better for most people than what we are doing right now, but it's much harder to imagine somewhat of a non-comformist such as myself benefiting from this. I picture a society with arbitrary rules based on tradition and conventions, that rigidly conforms to them, and is threatened by new ideas - and this does not seem desirable from my perspective, but perhaps this is a misconception. This sounds like a recipe for tyranny against anyone who disagrees with consensus, and anyone unfortunate enough to be in that boat is rather fucked with no recourse

            I guess I'm also not totally sold on the race aspect in some ways, because it leads to conclusions that conflict with other beliefs I have.

            To give another thought experiment:

            1. 16-17th century Britain, home to more than half of my ancestors, and something of an ethnostate. We have feudalism and serfdom. We have catholics and protestants killing over slightly differing interpretations of nearly the same religion, we have filthy disease ridden overcrowded cities.

            2. Same time period, North America with one of the more egalitarian indigenous groups.

            I'm not sure I don't pick #2 here. To bring up your arguments about what is natural, it's the British that seem to be living in an unnatural state.

            You make these arguments about race and culture, but I think there is more to it than this. The German people were pagan Barbarians at one point, living a lifestyle not that different from indigenous people in North America until the Romans came along and forced civilization upon them. What is the cultural and racial legacy of these people? Their traditional ways, or the Roman legacy of civilization and christianity?

            I wouldn't necessarily call myself a primitivist, but I think Kaczynski and others may be at least partially right about the problems of civilization. Humans did not evolve to live in these current kind of conditions, and we have rampant mental illness and social problems compared to more primitive peoples. Maslow even got his idea about the hierarchy of needs from an indigennous group - being basic food/clothing/shelter, and then primarily meaningful social relationships, not necessarily spoils industrialization.

            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Same time period, North America with one of the more egalitarian indigenous groups.

            I suggest you do more research on the tribes of America. They were brutal savages, not noble savages. The noble savage myth was invented by anthropologists who were lying, Ted Kaczynski discusses this in Technological Slavery, as does Kevin MacDonald in Culture of Critique.

            What is the cultural and racial legacy of these people? Their traditional ways, or the Roman legacy of civilization and christianity?

            Both.

            I wouldn't necessarily call myself a primitivist, but I think Kaczynski

            Neither would Ted, he devoted a chapter of Technological Slavery against Primitivism. It's the same one where he talks about the noble savage myth being a falsification of Boasians.

            I wouldn't necessarily call myself a primitivist, but I think Kaczynski and others may be at least partially right about the problems of civilization. Humans did not evolve to live in these current kind of conditions, and we have rampant mental illness and social problems compared to more primitive peoples. Maslow even got his idea about the hierarchy of needs being basic food/clothing/shelter, and then primarily meaningful social relationships, not necessarily the cell-phones, dishwashers, and disposable junk or material other spoils of industrialization.

            Yes, the only modern state that deals with the problems of the technological society, media etc to create a pro-social, high social capital etc society has been fascism. The only other solution is de-complexification but that is a pipedream that would make the state give up its own power, which would lead to it massive instability, famine etc internally, or just conquest by other states. The only solution to anyone who has communitarian ideals or ethical problems with modern society is the fascist one.

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                [–]ActuallyNot 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

                The world is best without racism. This is because you get a broader pool of talent from which to recruit people, so things are more efficient.

                Also, hatred is an unpleasant emotion to feel, and tends to create a viscous cycle of hatred. So better not to start.

                [–]MightyMorphinFaggot 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                Eh racism is just entry level meritocracy. If you REALLY wanted to make it a level playing field you would make it illegal to put anything other than anon at the top of a job application form.

                White men would get the bulk of the jobs, which is why they don't do it.

                [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                Australia tried to do it and the feminists quickly removed blind hiring, when they realized the results

                [–]MightyMorphinFaggot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                Did they? lol

                [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

                Public service leaders are being told to "hit pause" on blind recruitment trials

                > The measure was aimed at boosting female employment by removing indications of gender from job applications

                Professor Michael Hiscox, the academic who oversaw the trial, says results have shown "the opposite" and is urging caution

                [–]MightyMorphinFaggot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                loool, that deserves it's own post.

                [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                I knew it! In reality we give women a pass for everything because according to nature's law they're real people with dignity and not expendable machines like men are, and can also easily manipulate with childish looks or lust. Women do have their own social problems, but almost all of them are inflicted by other women, not "the patriarchy".

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                  [–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  'Efficient business' isn't the end goal of civilized society. And if that were true why would businesses in the west hire none whites that are frequently less qualified than white candidates?

                  [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  'Efficient business' isn't the end goal of civilized society.

                  What is?

                  And if that were true why would businesses in the west hire none whites that are frequently less qualified than white candidates?

                  If a white candidate is more qualified, it's better to hire them.

                  Overall it's better if everyone has the opportunity to access those qualifications, and it is better if everyone is held to the same standards for promotion and disciplinary procedures.

                  [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

                  Because I was raised in a Jewish educational system and consumed Jewish media since birth. They even convinced me that Jesus was a myth.

                  [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                  lol, weren't we all

                  [–]8thmonitor 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                  Hey. Could I ask you a question about fascism? The fascism subreddit looks dead.

                  [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                  Of course

                  [–]8thmonitor 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                  My question is Are all national socialists vegans and/or vegetarians? Or is that another fascist ideology? I think I read it somewhere that loving the environment and animals is as important as race in national socialism. But I don't think I have ever actually seen vegan natsocs. I think you are NatSoc? Are you vegan/ vegetarian?

                  [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                  I know vegetarian natsocs, not vegans though and vegetarians are in a small minority (not many fascists and national socialists were). I'm not one, although I do hope to cut out factory farming animal products from my diet.

                  My personal opinion is that the nationalist diet should be something that one could theoretically source themselves in a humane manner. Hunted or ethically farmed animal products, plants that can be grown in homeland, only processed products you could make yourself IE not including complex machinery, imported products etc. Something similar to paleo I guess, did you ever watch Varg's videos? I think his diet is pretty much what we should strive for, something that goes along perfectly with nature and is free from materialistic/semitic cruelty that one can categorise factory farming, kosher/halal etc slaughter as.

                  What you're referring to was mostly a German phenomenon. The Volkisch movement, which came out of the German Romantic-Nationalist reaction to the enlightenment, was the origin of communal living, environmentalism, animal rights, vegetarianism etc, all co-opted by jews and associated with the left today because they had to defang them. These, of course, all have their natural logical conclusion in becoming anti-semitic, hence them formulating the spiritual/cultural basis of National Socialism (the Folkish-Socialist ethical-social worldview). Hitler was famously a vegetarian and planned to try to transition the German population entirely away from eating meat, he also instituted the first animal welfare laws, and environmental laws. National Socialist Germany was the only consciously-environmentalist state to ever exist.

                  [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Has Warren ever discussed why he's a vegetarian?

                  [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  He said he's been one since he was a kid, I can't remember specifics. I think it was just watching documentaries and stuff like that.

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                    [–]jacques1102 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                    You mean atheist?Atheists are the ones that try to convinced people jesus was a myth despite the fact that Richard Dawkins admitted that there's historical evidence for his existence.

                    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                    No I mean Jews. All of the christ myth videos on YouTube are from curly haired devils.

                    [–]jacques1102 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                    Sorry didn't know you were another whacko conspiracy nut that thinks jews are secretly demons.

                    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    Not all Jews, those who say they are Jewish but are not. Maybe that's all ashkenazi, maybe not.

                    [–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    You're talking to a jew, just in case you were wondering

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                      [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Crossposted from /s/DebateAltRight

                      [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                      Because the government is too big and bad as it is. I don't need it going full totalitarian and probably torturing me for dissent. Unfortunately it does look like it's going to.

                      "Alt-right" is a lazy ideology built entirely on stereotypes and guilt by association, and foolishly puts complete and total faith in the state.

                      [–]Alphix 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      You, uh, don't know what alt-right MEANS...

                      [–]send_nasty_stuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      Alt right isn't necessarily pro or con on big government. Some people in the alt right support facism (which most people equate with big government) but the general trend in the alt right is simply opposing the current toxic regime which seems to subjugate whites and encourages them not breed.

                      [–]tiny-brown-mug 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                      I'm more of a Conservative Centrist. My views and outlooks are informed more by Catholic and Orthodox theology, ethics, and views rather than by right-wing or left-wing politics. I basically just vote Republican anymore, but if I could find a pro-life, moderate Democrat, I'd vote for them.

                      I think both sides have parties that lie to them, and echo chambers minus any nuance are a big problem all over. Plus, I just don't care that much about politics. I'm more into technology, philosophy, ethics, and theology. And dogs. And coffee.

                      [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      Book recommendation: For My Legionaries by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu. If not for politicisation and watering down of the Church he would be considered an Orthodox saint. A very inspirational book.

                      [–]tiny-brown-mug 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Thanks Markimus, I'll check him out!

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                        [–]RandumbZer0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                        Because I'm not anything, I don't play their Politico voting games.

                        [–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                        tips fedora

                        [–]RandumbZer0 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                        With that kind of snarky 'Urban Dictionary' type of retort, that makes you what: Millennial or Gen Z?

                        [–]sproketboy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                        What does "alt-right" even mean?

                        [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                        Defending white people from white genocide, opposing jewish power who are committing the genocide.

                        [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

                        The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected white supremacist and white nationalist movement. A largely online phenomenon, the alt-right originated in the United States during the late 2000s before increasing in popularity during the mid-2010s and establishing a presence in other countries, and then declining since 2017. The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by alt-right members, media commentators, journalists, and academics. A far-right movement, it rejects mainstream political ideologies such as conservatism and liberalism. - wiki

                        [–]sproketboy 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                        Copy paste from Wikipedia is not good enough.

                        [–]oligarchracy 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                        The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected white supremacist and white nationalist movement.

                        This is basically the ADL propaganda definition. The reality is far more complicated.

                        A largely online phenomenon, the alt-right originated in the United States during the late 2000s before increasing in popularity during the mid-2010s and establishing a presence in other countries, and then declining since 2017.

                        The sole reason for the decline of the alt right is a dystopian level of Jewish led censorship. If not for that, the alt right would probably be the dominant youth ideology of whites in the west today. Alt right subs on reddit were the most popular subs until they were effectively banned and anyone who tried to resurrect them blacklisted. These views are still probably strong among a lot of younger whites since just about everything the alt right predicted has come to pass the last 5 years, but the Jewish establishment stranglehold on social media and the internet keeps these views hidden.

                        [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                        This is basically the ADL propaganda definition. The reality is far more complicated.

                        What is the reality?

                        [–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                        Based on what I've seen, the alt right is a loose coalition of disillusioned people who know something is deeply wrong with establishment neoliberal orthodoxy. They believe we live in a dysfunctional, corrupt, hypocritical anti-white system hostile to traditional western civilization. The vast majority are white, but not all. The vast majority are distrustful of organized Jewry to varying degrees, and see it as a corrupting and destructive force in the west, but most are willing to welcome individual Jews who expose and oppose the hostile anti-white elements of this organized Jewry.

                        Most are race realists, but not necessarily white supremacists, and to the extent they are white nationalists, they are still probably less ethnocentric and fanatical on the subject than your average zionist Jew(IE Jewish nationalists), and definitely less fanatical than the typical likud supporting Israeli, and yet the democrats and the neoliberal establishment will happily funnel billions to the most extreme right wing Israeli governments while openly calling far less right wing westerners far right extremists.

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                            [–]package 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                            Labels can be subverted and maligned and are a crutch for people who don't have their own opinions.

                            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                            Ok, are you in favour of the system's current goal of genociding white people, or are you against it? If you're against genociding white people, you are a dissident to the system IE alt right.

                            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Alt Right.

                            Le Kekw.

                            I am not apart of any group. Especially one so heavily psy oped.

                            [–]Bridgeheadprod 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                            I don’t buy into stupid compartmentalizing definitions. It’s not alt right to want freedom.

                            [–]Saiditking 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            The alt right was created by 4 things.

                            1. The constantly escalating demonization of white people by a hostile Jewish dominated establishment, and the resulting discrimination, slander and violence against whites that have resulted.

                            2. Mass replacement level immigration to majority white countries that the vast majority of people didn't want and no other ethnic group on earth would accept, least of all the Barbara Spectre style zionists who have pushed this immigration the hardest.

                            3. The excesses of wokeism.

                            4. The fact the republican/conservative establishment did nothing to combat any of these things, and in many cases actively enabled them.

                            You shitlibs created the alt right. Did you think all white people would just kneel down and submit to your hatred and incompetence willingly? I used to be left wing, but the modern day establishment left has been taken over by the very same neocons/neoliberals the real left used to oppose.

                            [–]MightyMorphinFaggot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                            My iq is enough to get into mensa, offically. I want to be judged by my ideas, not my sexy white features and massive cock, thank you.

                            I just don't want to be bundled in with a bunch of fags who get a free ride from my work ethic.

                            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            I just don't want to be bundled in with a bunch of fags who get a free ride from my work ethic.

                            That's what you already have, except the people stealing the free ride from your work ethic are also using your labour to fund their genocide of the white race rather than you being a valued member of a people's-community you're just a battery being sucked dry for your own destruction.

                            [–]Countach_3D 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                            Because I'm not retarded.

                            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Source

                            [–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                            Because I was born hyper liberal (in the proper sense) as my nature and I'll always revert back to that. I can't help it.

                            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                            Sorry to hear about your personality disorder, guy

                            [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                            It's a jew

                            [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                            That's what I said😎👍

                            [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                            She doesn't like Jews very much actually

                            [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                            She doesn't like Jews very much actually

                            [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Why is she always defending them then?

                            [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                            It is pretty dangerous really. People are often very bad and need control.

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                              [–]dissidentrhetoric 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                              I thought alt-right was invented by the far left during the Trump years in order to describe groups of people who were not real right wing but were fake right wing. Example Richard Spencer.

                              [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                              It was our own term, to describe rightists who were in opposition to the GOP, capitalism, boomer conservatism, religious-based politics etc. At the beginning it was basically a coming together of manosphere, HBD (human biodiversity), neoreactionary, self improvement, conspiracy, fascist/national socialist, white identitarian etc groups. Basically anyone who was not a mainstream right voter but would be considered right wing in some way. Now most of these are oppositional to the actual alt right (pro-white, anti-semitic, illiberal, anti-capitalist) and most of them have become absorbed into the mainstream right.

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                                [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                                Btw, most alt-right people used to be conservatives who denounced big government and all "alt" ideologies. What changed your mind?

                                [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                                What changed your mind?

                                I never had my mind changed because I was never a liberal in any sense, left or right. I never cared about 'big government' etc.

                                My relevant education on these topics though: I read Plato, Machiavelli, Schmitt, and others; I studied great men such as Napoleon and Caesar; I studied empires. Basically I became learned and began to understand how power, politics etc work rather than crying and wishing for the universe to change its laws based on my whims.

                                I would recommend reading 'Imperium' by Francis Parker Yockey for a crash course.

                                [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                                Emperors such as Napoleon and Caesar were not good. Yes they accomplished a lot, but a lot of those things were bad. They are exactly the kind of people you don't want to have any power, and who are the most desperate to obtain it. Disagree with him or even make him suspicious and you face a savagely cruel execution.

                                [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                Not relevant to the comment whatsoever. I also don't subscribe to your liberal morality, thus the moralising doesn't work.

                                Again, you should just read Imperium by Francis Parker Yockey. At the very least it'll allow you to understand many things you're currently blind to, even if you agree with none of it.

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                                  [–]8thmonitor 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                  What kind of ancap are you? Hoppean?

                                  [–]LarrySwinger2Voluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                                  Why would I be?

                                  [–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                                  Assuming you're white, because you oppose your family, most your friends, your children, and yourself from being genocided.

                                  [–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                  First, because "alt-right" doesn't mean anything now. Second, because (in the term's original intended usage) racists are boring, no matter whether they're on the left or the right. These days, the non-aligned are the ones who truly stand out from the crowd.

                                  [–]MuskyIndependent 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                                  The alt-right alt-rights so I don't have to. 😎

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