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[–]Drewski 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Many Americans do not think systematically about politics, society or the economy and are not likely to make connections between an apparently abstract concept like "democracy" and the specific issues they care about.

Well yeah, they lived through two years of Covid tyranny where they lost jobs, businesses, got placed under house arrest, and had precious years of their children's lives stolen from them. Their politicians killed the Keystone XL pipeline and restricted domestic drilling, driving up gas prices. Runaway spending and money printing from the Fed has caused record inflation, drastically increasing the cost of living for everyday Americans. Billions of their tax dollars are being used to prolong a proxy war in Ukraine while people struggle to make ends meet at home.

Now they're supposed to ignore all this for the abstract concept of 'democracy' which has clearly failed them. In addition to being extremely condescending, this author is clearly out of touch.

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        [–]Davethe_blank_ 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        like how deep into your bullshit are you? And we should be against democracy. Democracy is for dumb people. It's mob rule. We need checks and balances, even against dumb fucking voters. That's why we only elect local, state and a representative. Look what "democracy" has turned presidential elections into, and you want more of that.

        [–]Davethe_blank_ 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        actually republicanism is what allows all this to happen. If we gave into democracy mob rule, the loser liberals would have voted all the money to themselves way before now. It's separation of powers and being a republic that has got us this far, never forget that. This democracy bullshit is for the people who can't convince more than half the people they are right. That means their argument is SHIT. And it shouldn't be law. But leftists have widdled away at our once great experiment in local governance, free from top down tyranny. But those days are gone. We need a big ass red wave, then we need a Con Con.

        [–]aaarrgh 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        you're brainwashed beyond belief...for believing there is such a thing as 'democracy' in the west.

        [–]SoCo 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        This dumb Salon article is just gaslighting. It's whole point can be summarized as pushing the logical fallacy that 'if you care about the economy, then you don't care about democracy.'

        They never really established how or why democracy was at risk, yet they found that the majority of the public, which they characterized as too dumb to understand politics or economics and suggest they simply "take their cues from trusted elites about how they should think about politics and what they should do about it."

        They also seem to have no clue what "fascism" is, nor do they attempt to explain why they throw the buzz-word around. Chris Hedges suggests that dysfunctional democracy can easily slip into fascism, but he does that by projecting that the public would follow any public figure who expressed hate towards the ruling class. This does have some fascist ties to it

        Yet, Salon fails to connect the constant hate propagandized towards "Conservatives", Republicans, Trump, and anyone who disagrees on political topics as this same form of fascism. The kind of fascism that would call border security racism, while lack of border security only hurts legal immigration, you know those people doing things correctly and waiting years, as well as supports the drug and sex slave smuggling industry.

        The public sees approaching war, economic disaster, inflation, and exploding gas/energy costs already affecting them. They know this is a pressing danger.

        Some of the public have been sold that democracy might be under some kind of vague threat, because they've been propagandized so heavily about it. The biggest threat is democracy might not vote the way they wanted, so they must remove the risks of those whom they disagree with, from participating.

        Salon's own source disprove their gaslighting narrative. It is not that they trade strong economy for democracy. The CBS study they reference says their concern is that the "economy and country's direction is seen as bad; out of control."

        CBS are dirty democracy haters too. They try to trick readers into thinking that bipartisan ballot oversight isn't an integral part of election security, required by law in most states to ensure the election is secure. Due to twisted interpretations of voting privacy laws, citizen observers are the only security, the only oversight permitted at all, frequently enshrined in law as the key to all election security. Yet, that security was suspended, roped off in a corner, and tricked into leaving with fake water-main break deceptions, in most urban counties that make up the battle ground states in the 2020 election.

        A big majority of Republicans support the idea of private citizens challenging elections officials as they process and report vote counts on election night.

        And two-thirds favor the idea of private citizens patrolling ballot drop-boxes and polling places. They're alone among partisans in that — independents and Democrats are opposed.

        The whole thing from both is just the an insane and twisted drivel of mental gymnastics that must be targeted and the lowest of low hanging fruit.

        [–]mifu 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Are you still reading Salon? I did until the 2000 election. The next day, Salon editorialized that Bush was the duly elected Prez and by God we's better get used to it. Screw them and their New York liberal attitude. Of course Kerry was not a better choice what with his opium-smuggling family money from two or three generations back. I didn't vote.

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          [–]Alienhunter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          🙄

          This is like the 2008 election articles republicans were running during the Obama wave. Democracy is over. Obama is going to declare a caliphate. Obama is going to abolish elections. Blah blah blah.

          It's just shitty fear mongering. Right and Left both do it. Right now democrats basically don't have a cohesive platform so they have to run on a fear platform about all the horrid things republicans will do. In 2024 or 2026 or whenever it is that the republicans once again bungle things then you'll see them running the "evil democrats want to end democracy forever" adds. All a bunch of malarkey.

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            [–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            It's not suggesting gloom and doom scenarios or that the sky is falling.It's just a report on political trends in the US

            Are Americans ready to trade democracy for cheap gas. That's fascism in a nutshell. Sure. Not doom and gloom alarmism, not partisan fear mongering. Just a totally neutral objective article.

            I'm not sure if you are stupid enough to believe that or if you think other people are stupid enough to fall for it, but either way you are retarded.

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              [–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Why the fuck should I waste my time reading an article with an inflammatory click bait headline?

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                  [–]Oyveygoyim 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                  Read about democracy because what we have is not a democracy

                  [–]TarBaby 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  It is a Republic.

                  [–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  It is with great reluctance that I accept this calling. I love democracy, I love the republic. I promise you these powers I will lay down once this crisis with the Ultra-Maga Republicans has abated.

                  [–]TarBaby 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Ultra-Maga Republicans

                  Don't you mean the Jews? :)

                  [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  It's the merger of state and corporate power. When you can't tell where one begins and the other ends.

                  "It's no longer a matter of speculation: the US government has been conspiring with the heads of Silicon Valley social media platforms to manufacture consent electorally, censor what they deem misinformation and ban dissident voices from the Town Square."

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKHJY2SbOs

                  [–]EthnocratIndependent 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Democracy is a bunch of Jews and blacks yelling at white people.

                  [–]mifu 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  I've always thought that fascism was when the police, army, politicians, media, and over half the populace are in a giant clusterfuck.

                  [–]aaarrgh 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  trade something non-existent against cheap gas?

                  [–]MuskyIndependent 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Hahaha, your ass gets handed to you once again in the comments.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  The hatred for the ruling class, embodied by the establishment Republican and Democratic parties, which have merged into one ruling party, is nearly universal.

                  [–]EthnocratIndependent 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  (((Ruling class)))

                  [–]rubberbiscuit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  The left: Voting does not equal democracy!

                  [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  When they say "democracy", mentally substitute "our rule over you."

                  That's how they use the word. That's what it means.

                  And that's why they're so panicked. They know that if we get to rule them, we will use our power to expose their crimes and they'll go to prison. That's why they're screeching that any election that removes them from power is illegitimate. Power will always act to protect itself.

                  [–]TarBaby 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  It is how Hitler got started. By converting coal into oil. To lower gas prices and keep him in office. We could use a man like Adolph Hitler again.