Ukrainian Ambassador freaks out, telling Elon Musk to ‘F– Off’ after he catually outlines the obvious fair and honest way to peace with Russia on Twitter, without the fake dog-and-pony show

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[–]JosephDeMaistre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If this "domination" makes world a better place, I don't see why not. Of course I'd prefer to see healthy competition, like say EU vs. USA, but no, I don't think the "collective West" (as Putler refers to his adversaries) vs. Putin-Xi Axis would be such. I'd much rather see the latter two monsters GTFO.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

No. It would not make the world a better place. America is pushing feminism, transgenderism, corporate cronyism, male genital mutilation, Israel-worshipping, socialism, woke culture, overly processed food, car-dependency, child drag queens, transgender children, drug use, hood rat culture, and other horrible things on the rest of the world. I don’t see Putin as an angel, but I certainly don’t want to be a slave to American dominance either.

[–]JosephDeMaistre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Lmao at "America pushing socialism" trope. A country that by now has the most brutally unrestraint capitalism in the Western world (compare with Germany, France, Britain, let alone these Scandi nanny states) is "pushing socialism"? Did Revolver News tell you that or are you an autodidact?

Funny how you Putin worshippers basically fall into 2 extreme camps: far right like you on one hand and the Old Left leftovers (pun intended) on the other side. Which, I believe, leaves any sane person in the middle?

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

America gives gibs to single mothers, illegal immigrants and corporations. That's what socialists countries do. Also, American universities are promoting socialism. The American government also picks winners and losers in some markets, which is also what socialist countries do. If America was truly a capitalist country, we'd have alternatives to Amazon, Google and YouTube who are big enough to prevent those countries from dominating the markets, plus healthcare would be much more affordable.

I don't worship Putin. I simply don't think he's any worse than Bush, Obama, Biden, Clinton, Blair, Cameron, Sarkozy, Boris Johnson or LBJ.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

America gives gibs to single mothers, illegal immigrants and corporations. That's what socialists countries do. Also, American universities are promoting socialism.

This is not inaccurate, but theres a bit more nuance to this.

The word socialism has been 'redefined' from an ideology that is a type of communism with public workers and public ownership of means of production, to a type of capitalism, that leaves private capital ownership and the market economy in place, but uses heavy progressive taxation to provide a strong and expensive social safety net. The Scandinavian countries would be a good example of this type of economy, and for better or worse, seems to be what some on the left are angling for (Bernie Sanders advocates for these kind of policies). Many on the left are not though, people like Biden want nothing to do with policies like Universal Health Care and other neo-socialist policies, because the insurance companies give them tons of money

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You could argue that the Scandinavian countries are socialist. After all, you have world class healthcare and education provided by the government. Of course, their leaders do not consider their countries socialist in the truest sense. There are free markets in a lot of areas, so it’s easy to do business compared to America. In fact, their markets are freer than America. More expensive because of higher taxes and operating expenses, sure, but less rules to follow. Also, there are no minimum wage laws in those countries. In a way, the Nordic countries are very capitalist, even if they are considered socialist.

I do get your point. Communism and socialism are not necessarily the same. Something I forget time to time. I guess what makes socialism work in the Nordic countries is the fact that it is used for the benefit of the people, whereas in the US only corporations benefit from socialism because American politicians would rather bail out banks and corporations than give back money to the states so that the states can provide healthcare and education.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, its unfortunate that 'socialism' has a rather ambiguous meaning nowadays. I'm not sure how well the Scandinavian model would work here either. It seemed to work well in Scandinavia when the population was very homogenous - they don't mind being generous to their own. The influx of immigrants that do not assimilate culturally, commit crimes at higher rates, and use up a lot of those social services are now causing some very serious backlash against these policies. Americans are so racially diverse and fragmented by identity groups, that this seems like a recipe for much civil unrest, even though the liberal part of me likes the idea of reducing inequality and poverty and doesn't mind making the rich pay more of a share

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Nordic countries are small and homogeneous. Denmark has strict immigration laws, and Sweden will soon because there’s been a backlash against immigration over there. You also have to pay a lot of taxes, which is fine if you know where your taxes are going and they are going into projects that benefit you. The most important thing is having a high trust society, which is essential in order for the Nordic model to work. And which no longer exists in America.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I appreciate your take, you are one of the users I enjoy having conversations with even when we don't see as eye to eye as we seem to on this. It's nice to be able to have nuanced discussions about complex issues with people who aren't from the same exact ideological place. I think this is something thats missing from our society lately, and really what I am looking for from sites like this

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like talking to people of all political persuasions. I like to learn and grow, and I can only do that from learning why people might disagree with me. Also, there's no one-size-fits-all solution - what might work for one country won't work for another.

[–]JosephDeMaistre 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Healthcare would be affordable, if you had European-style universal healthcare, which the GOP moneybags keep labelling "socialist". According to everything you posted just now, pretty much all civilized countries have been "socialist" since about 1900.

Btw, in the genuinely socialist Cuba, healthcare is very much affordable, except that it's actually crappy.

All the politicians you listed as akin to Putin in evilness were democratically elected and when some of them ran again and lost then they handed power to the next popularly elected leader. Only a moron could see them on the same footing as Russia's dictator. When Bush Jr. was president and launched the misguided invasion of Iraq, did he send critics of war to prison? Did he have his political opponents poisoned? Even if he had wanted to he couldn't, because America is a functioning, competitive democracy. Just like Britain and France.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bush humiliated critics of his wars. He called him traitors and incited his supporters to shame his critics. You could say that it's not as bad as arresting his opponents, but this is still how dictatorships begin. Bush also implemented mass surveillance so that he could spy on Americans. That's what dictators do.

France and Britian are certainly not functioning democracies. You can go to prison for stating controversial opinions on social media. A veteran in Britain got arrested by the police for posting a meme mocking the LGBT pride flag earlier this year. Again, I don't see how those two shit holes are freer than Russia.