Ukrainian Ambassador freaks out, telling Elon Musk to ‘F– Off’ after he catually outlines the obvious fair and honest way to peace with Russia on Twitter, without the fake dog-and-pony show

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[–]ActuallyNot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

obvious fair and honest way to peace with Russia

Allowing Russia to expand its territory doesn't work. They took Crimea, and then kept invading.

Putin is looking for the boost in public opinion that he got from annexing Crimea. And will continue to annex his neighbours until he is shown that invasion, ethnic cleansing and annexation is not worth it.

The only solutions that will result in a lasting peace are ones that return Ukraine to the borders that are internationally recognised. This is this shape. Nothing less is viable.

[–]raven9 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

No. In Crimea the people voted in a referendum to ceceed from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation in 2014. That is called democracy and freedom, things you might not understand if you live in a western regime with your fraudulently installed leaders.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What the fuck?

1) No they didn't.

2) That's not how national borders are set.

3) Russia fucking invaded and annexed crimea.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/crimea-ukraine-secession-vote-referendum.html

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidadesnik/2014/03/18/how-russia-rigged-crimean-referendum/?sh=649d28e66d41

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually yes. The proof is in the pudding. lf there was a pro Ukraine majority in Crimea then they would have been outraged at being "annexed" by a fraudulent referendum and there would have been massive demonstrations in Crimea demanding it be overturned so where are they.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Concerned about ethic cleansing.

[–]SoCo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's funny how all voting is fake....except when the EU/US hand picked Zelensky and other candidates, then ran the Ukraine election. That voting was totally just democracy, despite the EU/US arguably pushing the public to overthrow the Ukraine leader prior to him, for choosing a trade agreement which competed against the EU/US's trade agreement. Our deal had quite a bit of strings attached, but we were super salty that we lost.

[–]JosephDeMaistre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No-one "handpicked" Zelensky. Poroshenko, his predecessor (both of these 2 were elected in democratic, competitive elections), would as an incumbent with proven pro-West allegiance have been the safest bet, no? But he lost to Zelensky who was an opposition candidate - a media star with no political experience. Both in 2014 and 2019, Russophilic candidates could run and won a relatively small share of votes these times. The reason being obvious: the Russian Federation had been essentially waging a so-called hybrid war against this country, and former pro-Russian voters had switched en masse to more pro-Western positions.

[–]SoCo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, we, the US/EU, hand picked both "candidates". You only got to choose between our "vetted" options, in our elections that we paid for, we oversaw, and we closely monitored.

We encourages and embedded in to the massive, self-destructive, and deadly, civil war, that resulted in the overthrow of Zelenski's predecessor, for failing to choose the EU/US trade deal. While, to us, it seem like it should be the Revolution of Dignity for them, it was more like what we would have wanted, if we were them, so we pushed them into it with our common dirty tricks. Likely the same ones being used against Iran right now. Same as Libya. It is a broken record of uprising happening all the same way, which were probably organized and coordinated by the US/EU, following their Colonialism instincts.

[–]JosephDeMaistre 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Both candidates?" What the fuck? There were dozens of candidates, including several Russophilic ones. The fact that only pro-Western candidates got lots of votes means that these are the policies that millions of Ukrainians wanted, whilst Illia Kyva (Socialist Party, apparently also an FSB operative) received 5,869 votes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election#Results).

So you're suggesting that millions of Ukrainians had no right to elect a pro-Western leader of their choosing for their own country and comrade Kyva with his 5k of votes deserved the post instead? And who is this "We" you're referring to? If you're an American and hate your own country, feel free to get lost and emigrate to Pyongyang or Moscow.

[–]SoCo[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I meant to say all, not both which is more common where I'm at. Yes, we, the EU and US members who planned for and coerced the coup, election ahead of time, then paid for and intimately ran the election, looking over the shoulders of local election workers, had "vetted" all candidates, filtering out any we didn't like.