Chaos as Putin cancels big speech ‘set to announce escalation of Ukraine war’

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[–]weavilsatemyface 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Chaos". Yeah right.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're going off this guy's quote:

A former Nato military chief said the unexplained delay was sign of ‘chaos behind the scenes’, with ‘real questions’ remaining over whether the Russian war machine was up to enforcing Putin’s plan.

I don't know if that's propaganda, but it's believable that if Putin wanted to announce the mobilization of 2 million reserves he might have been told it's not possible. I believe the 150,000-180,000 troops in Ukraine represent the largest mobilization the Russian Federation has ever done, and that didn't go smoothly.

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

A former Nato military chief

Ah, a disinterested neutral observer with an insider's knowledge of what's going on in the Kremlin 😉

Honestly, they could have asked some high school quarterback or cheerleader and got a more credible response.

I don't know if that's propaganda

Of course its propaganda. Whether it's true, half-true, false, or utter bullshit its still propaganda.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Fake left, go right.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I suspect Putin was talked out of it by his senior staff or possibly even China. Putin was expected to call for full mobilization of Russian forces, that'd be a standing army of 3 million, 1 M active, 2 M in reserve. They're having troubles with 180,000 troops in Ukraine as is, their largest battle in recent times.

If mobilization failed it would be supremely embarrassing. Also the world is probably gonna be antsy with a 3 million strong war machine ready to go.

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

If mobilization failed it would be supremely embarrassing.

More or less embarrassing than the USA's ten year invasion and occupation of Iraq, costing trillions of dollars, which has ended up with the money disappeared into the pockets of private contractors and Iraq an extremely dubious and untrustworthy ally?

How about the twenty year invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, ending up with the same people (the Taliban) back in charge, only this time with a shit ton of US military equipment and biometric data showing exactly which Afghans collaborated with the US?

Also the world is probably gonna be antsy with a 3 million strong war machine ready to go.

If by "world" you mean the USA and its allies, puppets and shills.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

More or less embarrassing than the USA's ten year invasion...

More. The US got to Iraq and Afghanistan smoothly, and kicked ass. Wasn't run well long term, but remember the Soviets had their own defeat at the hands of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

If by "world" you mean the USA and its allies, puppets and shills

Anyone who doesn't want China running global affairs should care. It won't be a Russia led world, they're too technologically backwards and broke ass, but their ally China wants the job.

[–]weavilsatemyface 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The US got to Iraq and Afghanistan smoothly, and kicked ass.

Ah, the good ol' memory hole strikes again. Smooth as sandpaper.

Afghanistan: a bunch of desert tribesmen with no training whose most advanced weapon was the AK-47 and the Toyota Hilux, and they out-lasted the US-led coalition and all the mercenaries Blackwater could hire.

Iraq: a nation weakened by decade of sanctions, with no friends or allies, who didn't receive one single bullet from anyone once the war started. And yet, it took nine months to capture Saddam Hussein, and a year after overthrowing the Iraqi government and supposedly "winning the war", the US was defeated by civilians in a major battle.

Compared to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been training with NATO for the last eight years, specifically to fight Russia. They have had a shit ton of arms and equipment dropped in their laps. (And some of it hasn't been stolen by Zelensky and his cronies and actually got into the hands of the troops. Not much, but some.) They get all the military intelligence the US and NATO has to offer. Iraq and Afghanistan got butkus.

Anyone who doesn't want China running global affairs should care.

Its hard to say who would be worse as sole superpower, China or the USA.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its hard to say who would be worse as sole superpower, China or the USA.

Astute.

[–]iamonlyoneman 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It doesn't matter how well an invasion goes, if you spend twenty years and trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, fucking up the occupation.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't see it as a win if you don't have a disastrous occupation because you can't manage the invasion.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You sound like it ends with Putin/Russia/nations.

There are deeper levels and greater forces at work here, including the ruling class, corporatocracy, economics, energy, media, and secret deep state machinations that manufacture stress and strife, false flags, crises, and real wars. All this has been scripted out - including the sabre rattling. The army is only one factor in this global drama, and I'd argue that it's a minor one compared to those I mentioned that actually affect millions, if not billions, if not everyone.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Occam's razor, "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."

It's much simpler and more believable to me that Putin just wants to reunite the United States of Russia and be a world player again. So it probably won't end there, there's much more Russian territory to reclaim.

And while this going on, European nations are starved of fuel and vulnerable. China, Russia, and India are the new Axis powers, but nukes keep everyone from moving boldly. We'd probably have had total war by now otherwise. Thank God for Nukes!

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's much simpler and more believable to me that...

Simple minds can't understand that there can be many layers and reasons to globalists' actions. That's why we're in this mess.

Further, if Putin was bent on conquest, why has he been so restrained and not made any moves until now?

Putin is a Zionist like all the rest, including Trump and Biden.

China, Russia, and India are the new Axis powers, but nukes keep everyone from moving boldly.

China maybe, while limiting Russia and India - all dominated by Zion.

The threat of war is just another psyop tool. A single nuke in the atmosphere can take out a some continents' electricity. But why bomb buildings, burn power grids, or decimate infrastructures if you can just gradually take it all over with corrupt regulations and lose nothing?

Think harder.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Further, if Putin was bent on conquest, why has he been so restrained and not made any moves until now?

Production issues.

The Russian Army initially planned to acquire 2,300 T-14s between 2015 and 2020.[10][11][12] By 2018, production and fiscal shortfalls delayed this to 2025,[13] before Russia announced the apparent cancellation of the main production run[14] on July 30th, 2018. However, as of 2021, Russian state-owned TASS media agency claimed the Armata had been expected to begin serial production in 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata

It's not just one tank line either, it's part of the Armata Universal Combat Platform. They were pushing for their whole next gen war machines to be done by now.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There's way more than just one way to fight a war.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure, but Russians tend to fight a certain way.

The Russian Way of Warfare: A Primer | RAND

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Among others.

Trust Rand? Brave.