Alleged RAND Corporation Leaked Document Written BEFORE Ukraine War Shows U.S. Planned the European Energy Crisis and Economic Collapse to Save the U.S. Economy

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[–]Site_rly_sux 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Look how deep conspiritards have to dig to find water nowadays. This is dumb as fuck.

The pdf cited has been edited to remove the introduction and context.

What we're supposed to take from the pdf, is that, the rand corp prepared a report saying that Germany ought to be weakened to help America.

That's not the same thing as a "smoking gun" that Ukraine war is fake or whatever. Claiming that, is a slight of hand by OP and the dumb blog conspiritards.

Let's recall that the ruZ build-up began springtime 2021. The CIA director went to Moscow in November 2021, to try and convince Putler not to do the nasty. This report, if we're to believe it was prepared in January 2022, was correct to predict warfare from the ruZ.

Ultimately what this stupid blog post drives at, is, that America somehow caused this war to hurt Germany. And their method for hurting Germany is causing the ruZ fascists to do what they'd been preparing for a decade. It's such a weak, stupid argument, and if anyone believes this then you need to re-examine how you consume online content

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with your analysis of this situation, but your callous insults won't help convince anyone who disagrees.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Callous? There is a genocide happening. Mass graves, torture chambers, the illegal annexation of land. Someone who disagrees with me on whether or not the ruZ needs to burn, can go fuck themselves . I don't need to be nice to morons who think that the ruzzia is somehow excusable because of a stupid edited pdf on a conspiracy blog. If anyone is offended on behalf of this dumb conspiracy blog, you can go fuck yourself

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a free country, act as you please, but if you actually want to make a change you'll have to convince more people of your point of view.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wrong. Bullying people when they are thinking of going down a destructive path is tremendously helpful.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Of course, it was also Donald Trump himself who convinced the entire continent to depend on Russia for their energy needs and shut off their reliable baseload generators, right? You don't even have to analyze the document (but thanks for it) to know this idea is dumb.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What are you trying to argue here? The trump reference is apropos of nothing.

So you're saying that because Germany became economically dependant on ruzzian gas....that therefore this blog post must be true? Is that your argument?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's like you miss the point on purpose. Maybe you should just tell people "Please be patient, I'm autistic"

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok please be patient because that post doesn't make any sense to me in its current wording.

It's a defense of trump's European policy, first of all, but it's wrapped in a sarcastic takedown of my review on this bullshit blog post - but nothing seems to connect? Nobody criticised trump, did they? And I don't think I wrote anywhere that it was a really great idea for Europe to use ruzzian gas. And even if I had, and you wrote out that post to prove to me that I was a dummy for thinking Europe was right to use ruzzian gas...how would that be relevant to my original comment?

So maybe I do need you to be patient with me, because when I read and re-read the retarded garbage you typed out above, it just looks like the bawlings of a struggling moron

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Try reading it again but bear in mind the possibility of sarcasm this time.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

Nice! Way to go USA! I am relieved this is all part of a clever plan and not just our politicians bumbling around and being idiots.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has basically been saying the same thing, blaming the U.S. for causing the energy crisis in Europe, stating that their sanctions against Russia are causing economic “suicide.”

Wait a second tho, Russia cut off the flow of both pipelines them own selves.

[–]monkeymagic 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

has it ever occurred to you that supremely evil people work together while pretending not to?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry are you trying to imply that USA and the ruZ "worked together" when the ruZ invaded their neighbours against USA's advice? How does that make any sense? Isn't reality sufficiently explained by the common sense fact that Biden didn't want Putler to do an invasion? What phenomena cannot be explained by the proposition: Biden and the west really did not want this war to happen

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well yeah, but I thought they conspired generally to generally fuck over US citizens.

[–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Could also be evil people manipulating other countries/leaders to react.

If you mass sanction a country, the natural reaction for any country would be to counter with their own punishment. Russia's only got one main thing going for them. I mean..what's the next best trick up their sleeve? Their wheat exports are over 30 times less valuable than petroleum.

Sometimes the opposing country doesn't react in the way the deep state wants them to (e.g. Trump bombing an Iranian general or Pelosi visiting Taiwan).

[–]FourteenDigitz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Has it ever occurred to you that rich people are far more supremely incompetent than they want to appear and lack the class consciousness to coordinate on that scale?

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    [–]Site_rly_sux 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The US and NATO forced the ruZ to invade their neighbors by planning response sanctions that hadn't happened yet? Is that what you're saying?

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      [–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      US and NATO can place their armies in any agreeing member nation without ruZ permission.

      Neither were placing their armies in Ukraine, you're just straight up wrong about that.

      ethnic Russian civilians in the breakaway republics

      They aren't republics, they're oblasts, which were invaded by the FSB in 2014.

      And any "attacks" would have been ukranian attempts to reverse that. If you think ethnicities can break away under force, then you would need to develop that worldview a little more - can Chechnya breakaway? Can buryatia?

      war which they instigated.

      I thought you said the ruzzia instigated the war because they didn't like eastern europe in NATO? Which is it?

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        [–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Russia didn't instigate anything

        Except for when they invaded Crimea and donbass, you mean?

        join a cooperative force whose purpose is to threaten Russia militarily

        That's not the purpose of NATO. If NATO wanted to be a threat to the ruzzia, then the ruzz would be a pile of stinking ash decades ago. NATO is defensive. I know you know that, you're just lying because you like the taste of their Z-prop.

        RuZ had no issue whatsoever with its direct neighbours joining NATO. Witness how little they care about Sweden, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, etc etc. This is about their ownership mentality of malorussia and not about NATO

        . Especially by inviting NATO in and potentially allowing American missiles to be parked within striking distance of Mosco

        Ukraine was not going to join NATO but Estonia is a fully fledged member, and they can put American missiles a stone's throw from Petrograd any time they want. If the ruZ wanted to prevent American missiles near the rodina, then invading Ukraine wouldn't achieve that. Again this is known to you, you're just enjoying regurgitating their nonsense

        2014 coup

        Wasn't a coup, it was a revolution of dignity. The only evidence of foreign intervention is some hacked calls that don't really back up the coup narrative.

        Ukraine will be a Russian territory soon.

        Lol how soon? How's that working out?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Ugh, I hate when the page reloads and nukes my comment I was working on with my phone. My point that disappeared was that while the sanctions have potentially dire long term consequences technologically, particularly for Russia's aviation since they can't get parts from China for that, right now they're looking pretty good. There's a massive trade imbalance in their favor and their currency has been stronger than it has been in decades

        The first one requires some reading in-between the lines.

        https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/no-catastrophe-sanctions-moscow-are-working-says-russian-economy-veteran-2022-09-20/

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-marches-farther-into-liberated-lands-separatist-calls-urgent-referendum-2022-09-19/

        [–]Psychosomatic 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        This is how conspiracy theories are nurtured...