Found and Not Found at Ground Zero

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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Also found: beams cut with an angle grinder and a massive pool of molten metal in the base of the structure likely caused by thermite.

Not found: evidence of the missing $2trillion decarednon sept 10th lost in the finance department computers in building 7 and that one random room hit by a plane at the pentagon, which also has no engines, black box or CCTV at the scene...

The American government, less trustworthy than a priest babysitter.

[–]package 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So now we're pretending that not only was it an inside job, but there were no planes at all? You people are fucking psychotic.

[–]ShekelPa 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Go fuck yourself. Either see the truth for yourself or kill yourself.

[–]package 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is plenty of footage of the second plane. There are plenty of people who witnessed the planes first hand or watched the second plane live on the day it happened. It's definitely a plane. It flies at a speed you would expect from a plane. It leaves a plane-shaped hole. The planes had passengers. Those passengers had friends, families, and coworkers. Those passengers are not alive today, according to their friends and families and coworkers. If you want to pretend that none of these people ever existed or are ALL liars, you are psychotic.

Also:

  • This is the actual size of a 767 engine

  • Black boxes are not designed to take the force of nearly half of one of the tallest structures in the world at the time falling on them at terminal velocity, especially not after taking the force of the plane crashing into a massive skyscraper.

  • Jet engines are barely recognizable if a plane flies straight into the ground at high speed. They can significantly shred themselves to pieces if just a single blade falls off the fan while at speed. They are also not designed to take anywhere near the weight of half of a skyscraper crushing down on them at high speed.

  • Guess what ground zero and the surrounding area was covered with, in addition to metal, concrete, and asbestos? Papers. As the towers fell, internal pressure from each floor blew out windows and ejected loose, light objects, including things like wallets and passports. These things did not take the ride to the ground inside of the falling building.

[–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This argument is very much not compelling.

If one side is using this level of reasoning it strongly implies that the evidence doesn't support them.

[–]alladd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

seriously what kind of worldview does believing something so preposterous even lend itself to

does this help you navigate the world? thinking there's so much power and control you can't even fathom?

you know 9/11 could have happened the way they said and governments can still be corrupt, right?

[–]chottohen 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You're on the list.

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

So funny how the missing trillions of dollars announced publicly the day prior had all the evidence and people set to testify about it destroyed in both building 7 and the exact part of the pentagon that was hit. I mean what are the odds!

[–]CreditKnifeMan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I mean what are the odds!

$2.3 trillion : 1

[–]Zapped 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I would like to find me one of those indestructible flight recorders that this meme references. Also, this meme references indestructible jet engines. Where can I get one of those? I think I could make a lot of money if you point me in the right direction.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Better yet why don't you get us one of those indestructible passports.

[–]chottohen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bitch Please 😜

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I never claimed there to be one. If one talks in absolutes, they should be ready to defend it.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The point being made is obviously not dependent on the literal interpretation of indestructible. If one talks in disingenuous arguments they should be prepared to look a fool at the end of one.

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Indestructible (or the misspelling of indestructable) is in the picture. It is a claim that is a lie. If you add lies to an argument, or even make weak arguments, you can't expect people to follow any other arguments or claims you make.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you add lies to an argument, or even make weak arguments, you can't expect people to follow any other arguments or claims you make.

It's not a lie, those things should have been found. The black box in particular. The engines are meaningless in the case of the towers, but the lack of engines at the pentagon is very strange.

You don't "disbelieve" because of that claim. You are using it as an excuse attack the argument without providing any real rebuttal. Your bullshit is transparent. You aren't nearly as clever as you seem to think you are. You aren't fooling all the people you think you are fooling.

The absurdity of the official claim that passports were recovered unscathed while the black box was destroyed is compelling evidence that the official story is bullshit. Weasels like you can't "debunk" that with your pathetic ad hominems.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An esoteric conversation about jet engines and boxes dosent add to the conversation. Sure, it has its place. The point is that 9/11 makes no sense.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, then, I refute the claim made here that turbine engines and black box recorders are indestructible. If you want to make a claim based on a lie then how can you expect anyone to listen to any other argument made about it?

[–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Here's a fun experiment you can do: drive a car as fast as it can go, directly into a wall. Have someone check and see how damaged your driver's license, which was in your wallet and pocket, is from that impact. The results may surprise you.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh fun, a disengenuous argument made by a smug sheep. Why don't you run that experiment and demonstrate how an engine can disappear from existence?

Or we can take a look at the footage of the crash and and fireball and realize that the probability that all of the improbable occurances required for the official story to be true all happening is infinitesimaly small, yet the probability that the government has lied, yet again, is a near certainty.

[–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

demonstrate how an engine can disappear from existence?

Demonstrate how what must have been a missile the size and shape of a plane disappears from existence.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The missile nor the hole it made are the size or shape of an airplane, and is loaded with explosives that disintegrate it.

[–]package 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dude, again, there was unquestionably a plane sized and shaped object that hit the tower. There is a ton of footage of the thing, from various sources, from various angles. The impact site is very elliptical despite the angle at which it hit, as one would expect from a plane shaped object. If you want to deny that you are reaching flat earth levels of denial and gangstalking levels of psychosis.

Like legit, what is your argument? That every single witness, both civilian and media-affiliated, lied? That in 2001 the government somehow altered all the video feeds from all live cameras, and then manufactured civilian footage from actual people that do exist, to show a realistic plane shaped object instead of some sort of magic missile that completely vaporizes itself, and coordinated with every single on scene reporter to lie about what they are seeing? That an engine, made of many small parts and not particularly dense for its size, would not be torn up and chewed to shit by not only an impact with a skyscraper, but the entire mass and momentum that skyscraper breaking into pieces and collapsing onto it, impacting it not only in the air, but on the ground? That such a force would not be many times that of a missile weak enough to produce such a relatively small explosion?

edit: look up flight 1771 for an example of how thoroughly a plane can break apart by impacting just the ground, without also being crushed by a falling skyscraper

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude, again, there was unquestionably a plane sized and shaped object that hit the tower.

The missile hit the pentagon.

[–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm tossing my hat in with Zapped on this one. I've seen every episode of Mayday at lease 4 times. Some episodes many more times. It is perfectly possible to destroy flight recorders. It's hard, but not impossible.

I would think a 100+ stories skyscraper falling on a plane that was just rammed into it would all but make identify parts of said plane impossible. Even a 5 story building would probably do the trick.

That being said, Zapped is correct about this post. The arguments it makes are weak and do nothing to help expose what (if anything) really happened that day.

IMO there is just to much shenanigans going on on this day and I truly believe there is more to the story. The missing cash, the passport, the same day/same scenario drill going on... they all point to more then the general narrative.

On the other hand though, COVID proved to me just how incompetent government really is. I could honestly see them missing what the hijackers were planning. I also couldn't see them being able to keep this all a secret for this long.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah there's obviously some bullshit floating around the official 911 narrative but even if we want to go down the false flag narrative it seems infinitely easier to simply fly real planes into the building then trying to fake it. Like why would the government bother to pay off people and fake footage when they could just, hire suicide pilots to fly real planes into the building? Or just recruit actual terrorists behind the scenes and then turn a blind eye and let them do it.

Occam's razor needs to be applied.

Plane engines black boxes getting utterly destroyed beyond recognition in the combination of explosion fire and building collapse is not hard to believe.

Passport surviving that is iffy, but a small passport might get ejected or otherwise spared from the worst of destruction. Not outside the realm of possibility it's legitamate. Small objects have a chance of surviving chaotic events unscathed. It's not unusual for passports to survive plane crashes so long as they are somehow kept away from the fire. Hell even people randomly survive plane crashes on occasion due to being ejected during the crash. There was the young teenage girl that survived the famous Japan Airlines crash that killed the Sukiyaki guy. And there was that Russian Flight attendant that survived the tail getting ripped off her flight who just happened to fall and slide onto an icy lake while everyone else perished in the main body of the plane. Weird chaotic events sometimes create unpredictable pockets of safety.

Whatever melted the steel beams absolutely had the ability to melt the engines and black boxes beyond recognition. Or are we going to pretend that the towers didn't fall at all now and never existed in the first place just like the planes?

[–]Dr_Bukkake 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They should have made One World Trade Center out of Saudi passports so it would be indestructible.

[–]HanssenBob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When it happened, I thought: if they announce a suspect right away, it's a lie. An investigation of this type takes weeks to get to a suspect.

The next day, Atta's passport was on the TV.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There were similar found from the passengers. Wallets. Cards. Photographs. Drivers licenses.

It's difficult to track the exact air flow and heat flow in such highly chaotic and turbulent environment. It's curious that the passport survived, but it doesn't indicate that it was planted. Neither was there any reason to plant it: Satam al Suqami was known to be on the flight because his name was on the passenger manifest.

[–]Feldheld 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You people are still way too bored.

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

simplest rebuttal to this is to point out that Satam al Suqami was on the flight manifest, and thus it would not have been necessary to plant his passport to direct suspicion to him.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Was there ever an "explanation" for this? I remember seeing this in the news that same week or even the next day. How they knew immediately was very sus.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Engine flew through second WTC-building and was found on the ground.
It is a military version (has over-speed protection) and its ID does not correspond with a civilian plane.
Source: pilots for 911 truth. Identify