Fascist Is An Increasingly Apt Label For Today's GOP

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[–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

barely democratic when one considers the pay-to-play post-Citizens United politics

Trump supporters would agree with you on the corruption of corporations. They don't want corporations deciding things either.

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    [–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    That's central to the problem with Trump fans; they've seen Trump as the outsider, whereas he's the most corrupt insider anyone could have imagined on the Hill. It's insane.

    Every time I query what the corruption is I get links to hyperbolic articles about tenuous connections. Question: What was Trump's net worth before taking office and what was his net worth after?

    [–]FozzieBear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I think there were reports that he was in debt before the election (Russian businessmen paid his Deutsche Bank debt of $400 million). Forbes now claims he's worth $3 billion. His son-in-law netted 3 billion in deals with Saudi Arabia (2b) China (800m), and a Federal loan he doesn't have to repay if he defaults (500m).

    [–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Reports are that he started with well over 5b. Ending with less than you started with means you're not doing corruption correctly. Also, at some point, money is not the objective. Nancy Pelosi's net work keeps going up and is around 100m (less than 1/10'th Trump's net worth). At some point, you'd have more money that you could ever spend in a lifetime. Why would such a guy go into politics and LOSE money?

    [–]FozzieBear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Reports are that he started with well over 5b.

    Not factual. He had previous 8 bankruptcies, had been $400 m in debt, reported loses on his taxes every year for at leat 10 years, thereby paying no tax, and his wealth was mainly in property values, rather than liquid income. It's unlikely that he had much money, other than a few million in properties.

    [–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So, you may have a point, but I don't have enough counter information to check your assertion.

    Here's the deal. You think that Trump is corrupt, but Trump supporters and myself think that Trump is the least corrupt and the best candidate. Because censorship on big tech platforms, there are now pockets of echo chambers where bad ideas are not exposed to counter ideas. You are not going to be ale to reach Trump supporters on "common ground" with allies of your ideas to combat any bad ideas that Trump supporters have. The same goes for Trump supporters trying to expose Biden. Saidit.net does not censor much, but because it does not have a large user base, there's no "culture" (for lack of a better word) of competing ideas.

    So, I'm stuck having to continue thinking that Trump is a good candidate because I cannot vet your claim that he's corrupt. I can only hold the possibility that he's corrupt, but default to the assumption that either you're (please don't take offense) a propagandists, or you're misinformed.

    So with all that said, I'd like to ask you to consider the bigger problem of big tech censorship. We need more people from both sides to condemn big tech and to advocate for migration to sites that don't or cannot censor content. I'd be happy to be wrong (I'm not wed to the idea that Trump's the best candidate.), but given the censorship and the inability to ask questions in the presence of equally representative view points (and informed people), I have to default to my assumption that you're wrong, and I'm right.