Fascist Is An Increasingly Apt Label For Today's GOP

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[–]FozzieBear[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Dude.

Look at the bills Democrats write, and the number of times ALL Republicans try to obstruct their passage, and consider that the student loan forgiveness would NEVER have happened via Republicans, and that there bave been numerous attempts to reform voting rights, rebuild infrastructure, develop jobs and much more that the Republicans and 1 or 2 traitor Democrats put a stop to. Republicans NEVER do anything for the 99%. 40 years of their abuses have led to extreme income inequality, making the US comparable to a 3rd world nation in some sectors (education, healthcare, amoung of $ people have in the bank, amount of debt, etc).

In fact, the weakest aspect of the Democrats, is that they and their supporters will not follow the same party lines. They don't blinly follow one agenda. Republicans are however united in their fascism.

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You mean like that time Joe Biden made it harder to declare bankruptcy because his main backer MBNA bank wanted him too?

"How Biden helped create the student debt problem he now promises to fix"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020

https://www.gq.com/story/joe-biden-bankruptcy-bill

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mbna-paid-bidens-son-as-biden-backed-bill/

"Biden's Link To Credit-Card Firm Questioned"

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/93954519

Say it ain't so Joe! He does not care about this, motherfucker is buying votes with our tax dollars, may he burn in hell

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Also, Trump has been bankrupt 8 (?) times, screwing numerous people out of their money. It shouldn't be so easy to file for bankruptcy. People like Trump abuse the option.

    No argument from me here, 100% agree

    Good points, but that's not fascism.

    No, but I will tell you what is. Undermining free speech on a technicality by having the FBI have all the media companies censor true information about hunter biden's laptop when they can't legally do it themselves, and commit election interference by doing it during a presidential campaign, and then appointing a guy to the intelligence board who signed a document saying the laptop story was Russian disinformation, and also trying to start a ministry of truth. That all sounds a lot like somethiing that would happen in George Orwell's 1984

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    But that's not fasicsm. That's dictature, totalitarianism.

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    But that's not fasicsm. That's dictature, totalitarianism.

    You are right, but it did fit the popularly incorrect definition that OP was using, and I long ago gave up on explaining the nuances of Fascist and Communist theory to people who refuse to understand what those things are

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    Well, I don't think the student loan forgiveness is a very good bill. It literally does nothing to address the systemic issues that cause all this debt to be accrued in the first place, nor will it prevent the next group of students from accruing massive debts, just unfairly favor this group over others that have and will have to pay them back. It is literally trying to buy votes with an extremely irresponsible policy

    Furthermore, these loans are actually a privilege. As not a current student, nobody is give me a loan for a few hundred K with rate lower than your average home loan, especially if I had zero income whatsoever. The people with hundreds of thousands in loans are ones that:

    a. Made poor decisions to attend pay out of state or private tuition to get a liberal arts degree that wont allow them pay off a quarter million in loans

    b. Doctors, lawyers and other highly paid professionals that will have no trouble paying back these loans

    I went to an excellent community college, it cost me $39 a credit, and I got more personal instruction than I ever did at my more expensive state university.

    The united states has a huuuuge lack of community colleges, trade schools, apprenticeships and options for people that are not 4 year universities. The US, including the Dems have perpetrated this system of loans, overpriced school, worthless degrees, and convincing everyone they need a college degree or they will end up destitute.

    The current economic situation has been caused by "neo-liberalism" which both the DNC and GOP are practitioners of. You realize all the big banks were bailed out by the Obama industry and donate to to democratic politicians more than republicans right?

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      I don't disagree with the sentiment that Republicans have been worse on these issues, as they won't even make show of giving us any table scraps.

      But the fact is that representative democracy has been coopted by billionaires and corporations (again no thanks to the republicans who passed Citizens United which certainly made this worse). The big banks, big pharma, and the insurance companies that have been robbing us blind have largely been donating to and been enabled by left wing politicians. Like Obama and the bank bailouts, or Kamala and Warren's rapid flip-flop on and the refusal of almost all Democrats to support a single-payer health care system, even in the face of Covid when people were losing their jobs and we have healthcare tied to jobs, and there is an obviously a public health interest in everyone being, well, healthy

      Yes, I'll grant you that the Democrats ARE our only hope of ever getting these things done as Republicans wont even pretend to support these things. And I think this is why its honestly more important to hold the democrats to these standards - because we know the republicans won't ever do it. It has to be the left, and they have to be the ones to be forced by the voters to make this kind of corruption unelectable. We need to follow the model set by the Scandinavian countries which have at least managed to provide a social safety net and basic services to their people while maintaining a capitalist economy

      Its like if Superman and Lex Luthor both tortured and muredered someone, and then Superman arrested Lex for murder. Id be more upset with Superman, because wtf hes supposed to be the good guy. The democrats are superman, we are supposed to be the good guys, and I dont want to see us acting like lex luthor. I'm not gonna change Lex luthor, but if Superman turns evil too, then we are all fucked

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      Anyways, also just wanted to say I appreciate the debates we have. I don't want you to think I'm like the others here who resort to childish ad hominems when people don't agree with them. I also wanted to concede a point to you from a while back. I had written a response as such and then soundsituation hit me with an IP ban when I was sending it. You were indeed correct about that white phosphorous article I had posted being an unfair portrayal, after looking at the some of the material you linked and some other sources, there was indeed reasonable context for the policies around it.

      [–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      and consider that the student loan forgiveness would NEVER have happened via Republicans

      Republicans have a different take. They want people to pay if they can, so there's generally support for repeal of rules that disallow discharge of student in bankruptcy courts. It's NOT forgiveness, but it allows people to go into bankruptcy and have the debt erased. This is the better method of dealing with student loans.

      [–]FozzieBear[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      To my knowledge one could NEVER file bankruptcy for student loans. It was not allowed. It also fucks up your future, unless you're rich and have offshore investments.

      [–]cm18 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      My mistake. I meant to say there's support for allowing bankruptcy of student loan debt.