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[–]Davethe_blank_ 25 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 5 fun -  (19 children)

yeah because government propaganda is soooo much better.

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    [–]brimshae 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    I've been a federal contractor on and off for years. I also visit VA facilities on a semi-regular basis. People directly employed by the fed fall in to three categories:

    1: Hopeless idealists (very rare)

    2: Useless fuckabouts

    3: Corrupt grifters lining their own pockets

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      [–]brimshae 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're right, it doesn't focus on federal employees, but you're the one who brought them up, so it seemed relevant to point out that most federal workers are about on par with

      And I didn't just say the VA. You can also include the State Department, Interior Department, and a few others as well. Don't get me STARTED on DoD civilians......

      I know some of them personally, and would not think of them in this insulting way.

      That's nice. Thank you got the NAXALT comment, now go ask anyone else what their experience with federal works has been like.

      [–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I work as a gov contractor, and was in the military long ago, i can confirm that this is completely true.

      [–]IridescentAnaconda 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      I have a doctorate in a biomedical field. Worked in public health for a long time until moving to private industry. I have noticed that, regarding covid, experts who have contradicted the narrative have been silenced, often quickly and harshly. Numerous peer-reviewed studies have since come out documenting the statistical and/or biological evidence that the mRNA covid vaccines did more harm than good -- they do not get any press. Whatever the truth is about the covid vaccines, the opposing viewpoint is not getting any air time. Even if the official narrative turns out to be true, the silencing of opposing viewpoints (e.g. branding those who espouse them "narcissists") will only reinforce the so-called conspiracy theories.

      In short: you're doing harm to your own cause in the long run. The motives for articles such as this one are transparent, and people can see right through you.

      [–]Insider 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      They silence conspiracies because there is a conspiracy.

      Notice flat earth and moon hoax conspiracies aren't really silenced. COVID-19, geopolitical, government pedo conspiracies can get you banned and censored if you provide enough proof.

      [–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      That's right. I often judge whether or not a conspiracy theory is true based on how the establishment reacts to it.

      [–]Insider 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Gotta be careful with that strategy, because they set up agents in conspiracy circles as well. The military wrote a book on it, using partial truths to gain rapport and trust for psychological and information warfare.

      Alex Jones and Joe Rogan, for instance, are government agents. This is a pretty good breakdown of those two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PZnChP8W3I

      Tucker Carlson's also CIA (3 main indicators: participating in a CIA op in Nicaragua, participating in the CIA's media assassination of Gary Webb, his father Dick Carlson worked for the CIA front Voice of America).

      A lot of publicized trials are also likely farces (Kyle Rittenhouse, Depp/Heard, Alex Jones).

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        [–]Insider 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        There are several peer-reviewed scientific papers that are "anti-vaxx". Point isn't whether one side is "right" or not. Point is to allow discussion around it.

        Even mainstream news is reporting about waning effectiveness, lack of effectiveness on kids, ineffectiveness against Omicron, ineffectiveness of multiple booster shots. If regular citizens say it, we're narcissistic conspiracy theorists. If the media says it, it's more Holy than the Bible.

        Multiple papers have noted increased risk of myocarditis. JAMA is one of the top journals in the world for instance:

        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

        Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

        So why should you hold it against people who don't want to take that risk?

        https://www.tctmd.com/news/knowns-unknowns-vaccine-myocarditis-risks-summarized-living-review

        The largest evidence review to date addressing the risk of myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination confirms many of the same findings that have accumulated over the last 16 months: male adolescents and young adults are at the highest risk after an mRNA vaccine, the Moderna vaccine carries more risk than Pfizer’s, and delaying the second dose appears to provide some protection.

        Also, in the vast majority of cases, myocarditis symptoms were “mild and self-limiting,” the caveat being that longer-term data are still needed.

        Nature Communications: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31401-5

        The largest associations are observed for myocarditis following mRNA-1273 vaccination in persons aged 18 to 24 years. Estimates of excess cases attributable to vaccination also reveal a substantial burden of both myocarditis and pericarditis across other age groups and in both males and females.

        Here's the thing. Sure, the risk is low, but long-term safety hasn't been established yet. The mechanism for the vaccine inciting myocarditis/pericarditis hasn't been established yet. If the vaccine could actually stop the spread, maybe a mandate would be justified, but it doesn't stop the spread.

        Supposedly, it reduces severity (there are studies showing it didn't and current mainstream opinion is that effectiveness doesn't last long), but even if it did reduce severity, getting vaccinated should be a choice. If an anti-vaxxer gets COVID and dies, then he just needs to accept the consequences and that's his choice. Him not getting vaccinated doesn't affect the spread of the virus.

        You can add another policy on top of anti-vaxxers, for instance, if they get COVID and want to get treated in the hospital, they go to the bottom of the priority list. That way they don't clog up the system. Numerous anti-vaxxers would agree to that over being forced to take the vaccine.

        [–]CreditKnifeMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Are you posting this article as legitimate concept?

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          [–]CreditKnifeMan 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          I read it.

          Read this.

          The conclusions are 100% assumptions.

          No evidence it's provided to substantiate any of the conclusions. None.

          You could replace the accusatory label they've assigned, and insert the label of any alleged bogeyman that the author (and reviewer?) wanted to vilify.

          It's a hit piece.

          In general, psychology and psychiatry are unscientific.

          They're both pseudoscience.
          Both claim alleged chemical imbalances in people's brains, etc. Neither ever provide concrete evidence to substantiate these claims of immeasurable chemical imbalances.
          They cannot measure active chemicals in the brain of a living person. Period.
          It's all guess work. 100%.
          Not a hypothesis.
          Not a theory.

          Labels such as "narcissist" could not be more subjective, and are similarly immeasurable.

          These same social "scientists" also claim that males and females can modify their bodies, and become the legitimate opposite of what they are.

          It's far worse than pseudoscience.

          It's completely dogmatic, ignoring all evidence that contradicts the predetermined conclusions of the grant funders.

          It's the opposite of science; completely dependant on the silencing of actual critical scientific debate, to exist.

          Fundamental, shameless, and indefensible academic fraud.

          [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          This should be the top comment.

          [–]Optimus85Independent 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

          Only an absolute retard with zero self-awareness would post this shit. Or a paid social media influencer. Go gaslight somewhere else, your smelly socks are stinking up the place.

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            [–]Optimus85Independent 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I'm smart enough to discern BS from facts. Remember when 9 out of 10 doctors recommended Marlboros in the 50s? Those were alleged ''smart'' people.

            [–]pretty_innocuous 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

            Ok pal, you do realize arguments from authority or consensus don't make something true? If it were otherwise, Xi Jinping would be the world's cultural guru and the PRC the best and only form of government.

            Frankly it sounds like you barely qualify as a mid-wit.

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              [–]pretty_innocuous 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              smarter than the writers

              Researchers noted

              Indeed - fuck facts, science, pychology, psychiatry and all that hot trash.

              Here's three examples of your appeals to authority in this thread alone.

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                [–]Optimus85Independent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Astroturf much?

                [–]FourteenDigitz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Lmao, what a copout. You think this barely-populated Reddit knockoff is important enough to be astroturfed?

                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                Xi Jinping would be the world's cultural guru and the PRC the best and only form of government.

                Yes.jpg

                [–]Insider 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Ironically, the Chinese may be the most truth-based group out there along with the Russians.

                Although they prop up their own government, they also admit that their style of governing wouldn't be suitable for Western civilization.

                [–]FourteenDigitz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                You still aren't actually expanding on how it's wrong. You're just resorting to insults. Sad.

                [–]Insider 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                The writers of that article wrote an opinionated review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X22001051

                Based on past studies, the authors associated paranoia with believing in conspiracies. They also associate paranoia with vulnerable narcissism. However, there's a logical fallacy with this logic:

                For instance, say all vulnerable narcissists are paranoid, but not all paranoids are narcissists. Meaning you can have 50% of paranoid conspiracy believers being non-narcissists and 50% being narcissists. The narcissists are the ones more likely to believe everything based off of their own bias, but what about the other 50%?

                Furthermore, it's natural for people with paranoia to be skeptical. Why don't they relate conspiracy believers with skepticism? Because that's the main driver, not paranoia. You can be skeptical without being paranoid.

                [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                Why don't they relate conspiracy believers with skepticism?

                The only explanation is the obvious one. This is intended to be insulting in order to discourage conspiracy theories. It is simply propaganda.

                [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                the thousands at Reddit who also found this assessment interesting.

                The absolute absurdity of this comment can't be over stated. Reddit is a propaganda platform. The votes counts are fake. It's full of bots, and opposition gets censored.

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                  [–]CreditKnifeMan 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  OP is probably a bot.

                  [–]jet199 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  More likely a sock

                  [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  Most likely u/socks

                  [–]SoCo 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  You get a lot of anti-science corporate funded boot licking advertisers making cash to publish utter diarhea like this. You also have tons of low info suckers who love the taste.

                  [–]monkeymagic 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                  avoiding most vaccines is self preservation. there’s a massive amount of data that emphatically proves that to be true.

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                    [–]brimshae 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

                    What has been proven is that the vaccines have been safe and helped reduce the severity of COVID for billions of people.

                    lol

                    [–]Dr_Bukkake 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                    Is this guy fucking serious? lol

                    [–]brimshae 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                    I don't think he's fucking anyone. I don't think he's ever even touched a woman.

                    [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                    Seems you refer to the anti-vax propaganda, which doesn't prove anything,

                    Of course, your science is science and thier science is propaganda. 🙄

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                          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                          Exceedingly funny correct.

                          [–]Insider 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                          The transmission rate is what made COVID dangerous, but the vaccine didn't stop the spread at all.

                          1% mortality over 1 billion ppl is 10 million deaths

                          As opposed to a more dangerous pathogen where you may have 5% mortality over 10 million ppl, which leads to 500k deaths. Fairly large difference of 9.5 million deaths.

                          [–]FourteenDigitz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          It absolutely did curb the spread by reducing viral load in hosts who were vaccinated. But you'd know that if you knew how to do anything besides weaponize statistics. Or is it just a coincidence that there hasn't been another significant wave in the last few months since mass vaccination?

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                              [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                              Omitting that hospitals were paid large chunks of cash to hospitalize and kill (well, put on respirators) people with covid, which killed them. And also more oodles of cash for assigning covid as the CAUSE of death of people who died and "tested positive" for covid. Even those who died from car accidents, shot in the chest by a gun, etc. And oh yeah, let's not forget the "test" which was, and is, utter bullshit. A Polymerase Chain Reaction "test" CANNOT EVER BE RELIABLY USED TO DIAGNOSE ANYTHING. This is a statement made by its very creator.

                              So please. Stop shilling for the establishment clownery.

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                                [–]HanssenBob 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                You are a joke

                                [–]undefinedparadigm 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                                His name is dingleberry 😆 i wouldnt take this too seriously

                                [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                                What causes harm and what not is an individual decision.

                                As long as it stays that way, any government basically can suck my dick. Like it always was. Because i don't give a shit about them mofos, no matter what they are dancing around, eventhough i pay for their shitshow.

                                But if they try to fuck with things i regard as my personal choices, they made just another "enemy".

                                Simply put: That's it.

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                                  [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                  I simulate a sheeple's life rather sucessfully.

                                  I live a lie quite openly. With a fucking smile on my face. Everyday.

                                  No need to flee. Because these kind of people are in my reach, when i'm certainly not in theirs.

                                  It's like with those "modern" tanks they drive around our streets:

                                  You wouldn't believe to which "real" size their dicks shrink again once you open their doors and pull these mofos out into the "real" world to have a nice face-to-face conversation about their baboonish behavior.

                                  Once they can look into my eyes, things can get back to "real" very quickly.

                                  I like settling disagreements peacefully but i don't have to rely on it. That's the thing.

                                  You can see this attitude in my eyes.

                                  And i'm not ruled by fear. I never was and i certainly never will be.

                                  [–]proc0 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

                                  Imagine I accuse you of cheating on your wife, and your response is "people who accuse others of cheating are narcissists". Isn't that besides the fucking point?

                                  These "theories" don't get a chance to be talked about in the MSM, or gov., so it's hard not to be suspicious about why that is. This is why flat earthers are not censored, while at the same time you can't mention the c. virus originated from a lab leak.

                                  [–]Canbot 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                  Yup. The entire article is nothing more than an ad hominem against conspiracy theories.

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                                    [–]proc0 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                                    Then the conclusion isn't anything special. There are always extreme people in the margins of any group. The reality is millions of people are questioning the "main narrative" and the obvious solution is to bring all the issues into the light and talk about them -- unless there is something to hide, or a reason to control people's perception of what's going on. This article is just muddying the waters of what is extreme nonsense, and what is a legitimate concern of how authoritarian the status quo is.

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                                      [–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                                      Just as one example, during 2021 all those millions of people that were thinking the virus came from a lab leak, are all narcissists? That line of thinking was censored and labeled as "conspiracy theory", but now not as much. Regardless of truth there, it seems like a stretch to label people just for asking some questions. The trust further decreases when there is censorship instead of straight forward explanations.

                                      The whole Epstein saga is another example. Complete silence and secrecy around it from the media. There is obviously some degree of conspiracy going on there. This article is dismissing all of that.

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                                        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                        foundation of science.

                                        What the fuck would a shit weasel like you know about science? You're literally an idiot who believes bad sources and you lie. Total scumbag. You think poorly of the members here, but you need to take a long hard look in the mirror, shit weasel, and decide if being a scumbag is how you want to live your life.

                                        I know you thought you were doing good. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, shit weasel.

                                        [–]ilovewhitepeople 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                        This is trash.

                                        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                                        Probably a white jew

                                        [–]NuclearBadger 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

                                        Hot trash comin through lol.

                                        You know it's actually possible that other opinions might actually be correct, and to shit on them because some fagface has fact checked it so you can turn your brain off makes you a useless cunt.

                                        Grab your pitchforks comes to mind. REEEEEEEEEE.

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                                          [–]NuclearBadger 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

                                          You are a shining example of the dunning kruger effect in action.

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                                            [–]CreditKnifeMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                            OP is probably a bot.

                                            [–]Dr_Bukkake 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

                                            Are you seriously saying the anti-vax movement was unhealthy and harmful?

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                                              [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                                              Correlations are literally everywhere.

                                              The number of storks and births also are correlated, regionally. At least show some effort before blindly citing "just some" fucked-up propagandists statistics.

                                              There is more stochastic "competence" on this here board than you possibly could imagine.

                                              So far, i suppose.

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                                                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                Not wrong, antivax people belong in prison.

                                                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                Narcissism is present in those who believe in conspiracies, like serial killers eat bread. Finding connection does not immediately define a meaningful relationship. What writers such as this always fail to account for is when the conspiracy theories become factual record of cover-up. More social harm is done by the actions covered up that the theories seeking to expose them.

                                                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                Shameful OP. Using alt accounts to boost this to the top. I have proof.

                                                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                                RIP smokedrugs. <3

                                                [–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

                                                Written by a narcissist ..

                                                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                                Are "you" self-referencing ... or not in this aspect, zyxzevn.... ?

                                                Thats a nicely-sized brainbomb right here.

                                                [–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                                                No. The way he writes is narcissist with a hint of sociopathic.
                                                But it is hard to distinguish if you are an NPC.

                                                [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                                                People spreading misinformation like you should not be able to have a platform and should be jailed, not be able to work, not be able to leave the country, not be able to have guardianship of their children, and worse.

                                                Basically you should be depersoned and anyone who comes into contact with you should lose an amount of social credits.

                                                Narcissists like you appeal to so-called "authority" figures to stomp their boot on others. You feel emboldend and you deserve the boot for it. Zero tolerance for the intolerant.

                                                You belong to Satan, your father. John 8:44

                                                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                                                You know he made a bunch of accounts to upvote this to the front page and when he got caught he tried to weasel out of it then blame me for catching him, and it lead to smokeDrugs to deleting his account.

                                                Dude is a shit weasel.

                                                [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                                                I hope you can bring this guy "back" somehow. I started to like him...

                                                [–]ilovewhitepeople 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                                                shit, i liked smokeDrugs, hope he returns.

                                                and now this asshat deleted his account

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                                                I'm pretty sure he's at communities.win, and I have a way to contact him. Nobody's giving up on Big Smoke.

                                                and now this asshat deleted his account

                                                Maybe that'll do the trick, although I wouldn't be surprised if he just made his alts harder for me to spot. We'll see if the voting manipulation continues.