[IRONIC] Russia's propaganda machine is so powerful that many Russians don't even realize they're in a disinformation bubble

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Russian government is definitely not telling the truth. Source: most of the world.

[–]TheFlailingOfLegs 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

US government is definitely not telling the truth. Source: most of the world.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The dismissive bleat of a teenager Fox News sheep who has mommy or daddy issues, and thus would rather believe propaganda than try to understand geopolitics.

[–]socks-the-nigger 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]TheFlailingOfLegs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The dismissive bleat of a teenager CNN sheep who has tranny or faggot issues, and thus would rather believe propaganda than try to understand geopolitics.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

yawn...

[–]TheFlailingOfLegs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

sigh...

[–]raven9 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Most of the world? LoL You poor fool. Did you get your 4th booster yet like, Source: most of the world told you to? Its safe and effective right?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

fuck off if you have no argument or evidence

[–]Questionable 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

You know socks, you can be a Democrat and go against the DNCs talking points. You do not have to 'vote blue, no matter who.'

Don't you ever find it strange that the DNC supports and promotes the Bushes as good strong leaders that love America, when they orchestrated the Iraq wars? Doesn't that make you at least wonder whats going on?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The topic is geopolitics, not US politics. Nor is this a partisan issue for most politicians. Nor have I shared a DNC talking point. If you're going to use a whataboutist argument, try to pick a relevant subject. Better yet, avoid dumbass whataboutist arguments. Also stop supporting the genocide of Ukrainians, whilst believing Russian lie that they're instead liberating the grateful Ukrainians and are not at war.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Sir, that wasn't an argument. I was addressing you personally. As one Democrat to another. How are you this confused over basic human interactions?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to bring up irrelevant points, note that you are changing the topic and note why you're making your point. For example, is the DNC a complex organization with politicians who are making deals across the aisle, even if that means they're working against the others in the DNC? Yes. AOC is one of the politicians criticizing the traitors in the DNC. There are other critics. My view is that most politicians should be voted out of office, and that new politicians replace them.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Most of the world is directly or indirectly controlled by a collection of Jew and Anglo banking families that have created secret societies and think tanks to further their power structure. There is no 'truth' out there if you don't take into account that secret societies control the world and are leading us to some type of slave planet scenario.

Saying the Russian government is not telling the truth is technically true but irrelevant. Governments don't matter anymore. There is a higher form of government orchestrating all our lives. Our intellectual and political class is mute, complicit, captive and until you're fully invested in researching and comprehending these facts you can't say with a straight face you're really interested in 'truth'.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think we can agree on much of this, and that major investment firms, money laundering, and networks that include the Bilderberg meetings, G7, G20, BRIC exchanges, BlackRock and Vanguard Group &c, ($9.464 trillion), big banks, military industrial complexes, and other wealthy groups determine many of the geopolitical developmetns.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How can you identify as a democrat or republican then? These are both clearly fronts for a uniparty that seeks certain hidden objectives. Also how can you argue so forcefully with dissidents in dissidents spaces like s/debatealtright when you seem to agree on some very important foundational truths?

Unless you are Jewish and someone has offered you a guaranteed spot in a New Zeland bunker don't you think you will be affected by all of this impending chaos? Don't you think it's time to seriously consider that comraderie and cohesion will be essential for dissidents to survive impending food shortage, war, pestilence, etc?

Have you considered that these thinks tanks/secret society might be coordinating a series of population reduction events?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I noted something we agree on. I did not mention one crucial disagreement: that we have to focus on solutions instead of complaints, that we have to note those solutions explicitly here and elsewhere, that we need to focus on ways of empowering voters to use the democratic system to remove corrupt politicians, that the wealthy establishment can only be beaten with a democratic system, that there is no authoritarian saviour, that notions of a kind of French revolution are untenable, that the revolution we should focus on involves the hard work of getting people actively involved in centrist politics, that "dissidents" never discuss methods that will achieve any of the goals I mention above, that "dissidents" are armchair anarchists who will are being manipulated by propaganda pushed by wealthy special interest groups, that "dissidents" are anti-democratic, that "dissidents" aren't organized as an effective group that can empower centrists to democratically defeat the corrupt politicians, that - whereas we agree very much on who the real enemy is - we have different approaches to the potential means of dealing with them. Hope this clarifies my point. I'd rather not disagree with you. You've heard me say this kind of stuff before.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't mind you disagreeing with me or anybody else. It's HOW you disagree. Often times you take the other side of an issue just because it seems like you enjoy conflict. You might have more fruitful debates if you simply repeat some of the core ideas we just discussed. We dissidents have so many mindless drones and paid troll farm time wasters attempt to 'debate' us that we often fall into a combative posture. You seem to love triggering that. I do think you've improved though so there's that.

that we have to focus on solutions instead of complaints

The idea that dissidents all want a new holocaust or french revolution of political enemies is false. Dissidents are a broad group with a variety of camps. For example a growing wing of the dissident pie are the small and medium organic farming advocates. These folks simply want distance not conflict. These folks are more concerned with rebuilding high trust white communities and having families. Think Hittites or Mennonites but not as religious and more connected to modern politics and DIY community. You'll find these people in subverses like s/200acres. The reason you see us focusing on so many 'complaints' is that we are attempting to break people away from the mainstream academic and social propaganda that's toxic and dangerous. You can't move to a solution phase until you have a critical mass of people that really understand the problem.

that we need to focus on ways of empowering voters to use the democratic system to remove corrupt politicians, that the wealthy establishment can only be beaten with a democratic system

I think if you look harder you'll see this system is broken beyond repair. That doesn't mean we need to start a civil war but it does mean we need radically different solutions. We need strong but peaceful resistance. Please consider doing a deep dive on the right wing and third position authors and their reasoning for distrusting democracy. I think you'll find some strong evidence against democracy. Start with Uncle Ted, Johnathan Bowden, Guillaume Faye, etc. Chat with /u/nombre27 and look at s/runebooks You might even like some of the eco fascists. If you don't have time to read start with this channel to catch up. I especially like his video on environmentalism vs conservationism.

https://www.youtube.com/c/IntellectualEmbargo/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhN8d-9Z7M

Just because our movement favors strength and masculinity doesn't mean we treat every problem with hammer nail mentality. That thinking is a residue of your liberal indoctrination. (I don't know about you but mine was extensive and took years to deprogram from).

"dissidents" aren't organized as an effective group that can empower centrists to democratically defeat the corrupt politicians

They could be but most of us think it's a rigged game. Maybe you should look harder at why we think that? Also why do you think 'empowering centrism' gets us out of this mess. That a ridiculous notion to think if you already accept the notion that thinktanks and banking families run the world.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this detailed info. I'll have a look. It's true - I really don't now what "dissidents" at DAR (&c) really believe in. I wish they could be more specific about what they want. All I see from them are complaints, and what appear to be calls for revolution and anarchy. This seems to be anti-democratic. They seem to complain about everything. And if there were to be an uprising, I see no evidence of their ability to succeed. That said, I like very much the necessity of protests, and have attended many of them, as have my parents. I think many on Saidit can agree regarding our common enemy, which is in my view is the .01% and their manipulations, brought about by late stage capitalism. But we all have different views about how to address those manipulations, and indeed I see many on Saidit want to believe the propaganda pushed by much of the .01%. Anyhow, I'll check out this interesting information you've provided.