Do American conservatives even still exist?

submitted by VulptexVoluntaryist from self.politics

I feel like they suddenly disappeared in 2020 and I haven't seen any since. The only ones left are the Trump fanatics, who were already more of a populist group. Everyone else either went the alt-right route (which baffles me because nothing other than communism could be further from what they used to be), started being called libertarian instead, or vanished.

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[–]BossBrick 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

being conservative doesn't make one a "trump fanatic"

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When did I say that?

[–]SaidOverRed 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

We're still here. Let me just ask my questions about that 2020 election on youtube. I'm sure I won't be banned. No? Oh.

Well I suppose I'll just post on reddit examples of the trans agenda feminist is now successfully pressuring little boys to chop off their dick because we can't have any more of that toxic masculinity allowed to go past puberty. Wait, that'll break their "rules"? Oh.

But that's fine. I can go ask the last (R) pres on Twitter if -- looks like he was banned.

Well that's fine I bet I can check the news to see them pointing out clownworld and ... guess not. You know what? Nevermind.

I must be a fanatic, being all quiet-like over here. At least the nat-socs will talk back politely.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You could try Community.wins but be prepared to be hee hawed out of there.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see why everyone thinks me awknowleding the existence of Trump fanatics means I'm calling everyone who supports Trump a fanatic.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree.

But a lot of people think they are the same, and they most certainly are not.

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The fact that you call Trump supporters fanatics indicates that you are entrenched in leftist propaganda. The world won't make sense until you let go of the identitarian mentality.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, I said the Trump fanatics are the only people still associated with "conservative". Everyone else seems to have left. I'm well aware that there are far more people who support Trump than the fanatics.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That just doesn't make any sense to me. How have conservatives left? What does that even mean?

Anyone who values personal freedom, responsibility, autonomy, and self determination is a conservative. They are called individualists. All the policies they advocate for are based on that foundation.

Anyone who values obedience, uniformity, collective action, group destiny, is a liberal. They are called collectivist. All the policies they advocate for are based on that foundation.

I don't see how either of those have changed much.

Maybe you have a weird definition of conservative. If that is the case I'd be interested to hear what it is.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're still living in the past like me then. My definitions are the same as yours. But if you take a look around, everyone elses' has completely changed. And as for the GOP, it doesn't really have a platform anymore other than catch-all "not Democrat". There's the liberal Democrats and everyone else is the Republicans. There's really no talk of "independents" anymore because that's basically what the GOP is now.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, but what worries me is that a very authoritarian "anti-liberalism" has become popular in conservatism's place for many. How they could flip flop on their values so quickly I don't know, but I guess humans are easily taken over by hatred. A few of them seem willing to create a Nazi dictatorship against their own beliefs purely for the petty sake of pissing off liberals (ironic because in all but name it's closer to the latter's agenda). That is, if they still have beliefs at all. And you can't try to reason with either of them because they both just accuse you of being the other one and dismiss you as an enemy. And if either of them wins, brace yourself for a dictatorship.

American classical liberals and conservatives are now hold the most universally rejected ideology by the masses. To the liberals fascists and to the new right liberals. What was once central to America is now the scum of the Earth.

Only 2 years ago we'd have never dreamed of this.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like they suddenly disappeared in 2020 and I haven't seen any since

And thats because most of them were deplatformed by big tech. Their voices were silenced.

a very authoritarian "anti-liberalism" has become popular in conservatism's place for many. How they could flip flop on their values so quickly I don't know

Conservatives got 'radicalised' after the BLM and Antifa riots in the summer of 2020. When they rioted in dozens of major citys and caused billions in damages, without any criticism from the media or politicians.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

And thats because most of them were deplatformed by big tech. Their voices were silenced.

It happened in real life and conservative-leaning media as well.

Conservatives got 'radicalised' after the BLM and Antifa riots in the summer of 2020. When they rioted in dozens of major citys and caused billions in damages, without any criticism from the media or politicians.

That's my hunch too. I wonder if it was all set up for that very purpose.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Because the 'Trump' fanatics as you call it are faux Trump supporters. Most real Trump supporters and there are plenty of them do NOT act like dipshits. Hell entire stadiums were packed with people who voted for Trump.

Trump only was allowed 1 leg for his 3 legged chair because you assholes blocked him. YOUR the ones racist. Of course i twon't work out with only partial support. We are actually lucky we got as far as we did and the economy briefly started to turn around.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Me? How did I block Trump or be racist? I even voted for him.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Traditional conservatives gradually disappeared as the population turned into scum.