Tulsi Gabbard: Jury in the Arbery case got it right

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Did they get it right? A mentally ill criminal who had been trespassing in the neighborhood, ran away and attacked an armed man when confronted. The jury didn't get to know all the facts.

If Arbery had been a white man this trial wouldn't have happened.

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    [–]proc0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Kyle wasn't trespassing anything, he was out on the streets only.

    [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    If Arbery had been a white man this trial wouldn't have happened.

    it is getting more and more difficult by the day to distinguish posts here as troll/dumb/or serious. if he had been white, the trial obviously would have happened. just not near as blown up in the media.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I don't think so, initially no charges were going to be pressed until the story leaked 3 white men killed a black guy.

    it is getting more and more difficult by the day to distinguish posts here as troll/dumb/or serious

    It's like how tech seems like magic to primitive people. What seems obvious to me is confusing and strange to you. ;)

    [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What seems obvious to me is confusing and strange to you. ;)

    can you change your flair to 'master of irony'?

    initially no charges were going to be pressed until the story leaked 3 white men killed a black guy.

    wow your grasp on reality/intelligence is definitely confusing to someone like me. NO WAY anyone wouldve gone to trial for illegally killing a white guy. no way that would ever happen!

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Follow along. Charges were not going to be filed. It is a news story because of the racial element. The news story created pressure on the DA to press charges.

    NO WAY anyone wouldve gone to trial for illegally killing a white guy. no way that would ever happen!

    See, you misunderstood a simple thing.

    [–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Follow along.

    the master of irony strikes again! if he wouldve been white, you seriously think this shit would have just been swept under the rug? do you realize things take time to be dealt with? can your brain cells connect at all? let me give you the benefit of the doubt-FOR SURE a white guy getting chased down and executed would NEVER have had charges filed. LOL

    See, you misunderstood a simple thing.

    no shit, first legit lols on whats going to be a rough day. thanks for that!

    [–]ShalomEveryoneCommunist Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Did they get it right?

    Yes they did.

    A mentally ill criminal who had been trespassing in the neighborhood

    The three convicted murderers did not see him trespass in the house that was under construction. The three convicted murderers did not see Arbery commit any crime therefore they had no business chasing him and blocking him in with their trucks as he tried to ran away from them.

    attacked an armed man when confronted.

    Arbery was defending himself against someone with a gun who had no legal right to chase him with a shotgun.

    The jury didn't get to know all the facts.

    The jury had the relevant facts they needed to know to come up with a guilty verdict.

    If Arbery had been a white man this trial wouldn't have happened.

    If Arbery was a white man, it would not have taken a video of the killing making its way to the internet for there to be an arrest.

    Shalom

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    They had heard about the trespasser and the burglaries. They saw someone suspicious and they attempted a citizen's arrest. They didn't do a great job of it, but life in prison for three people is harsh considering the circumstances. It'll probably get overturned on appeal when all the race baiting simmers down.

    [–]ShalomEveryoneCommunist Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    They had heard about the trespasser and the burglaries.

    Therefore killing Arbery is legally justiied?

    They saw someone suspicious and they attempted a citizen's arrest.

    They saw a black man running in their neighborhood. That does not legally justify attempting a citizen's arrest. In order to legally conduct a citizen's arrest, the citizens must witness someone committing a crime. The gunman testified that he did not see Arbery commit a crime.

    but life in prison for three people is harsh considering the circumstances.

    Life for killing someone is not harsh at all.

    It'll probably get overturned on appeal

    Odds are it wont, appeals are rarely successful. Saying the case will probably get overturned on appeal is wishful thinking.

    Shalom

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Odds are it wont, appeals are rarely successful. Saying the case will probably get overturned on appeal is wishful thinking.

    I bet you thought that about Cosby too. These media circus, politically motivated trials all deserve to be examined with a microscope.

    Therefore killing Arbery is legally justiied?

    I don't know about legally justified, but holy fuck, life in prison... It's not like they went to lynch a black man for being in a white neighborhood, dude was sketchy.

    They saw a black man running in their neighborhood. That does not legally justify attempting a citizen's arrest. In order to legally conduct a citizen's arrest, the citizens must witness someone committing a crime. The gunman testified that he did not see Arbery commit a crime.

    People aren't lawyers intimately versed in law. They were under the belief they were acting lawfully. Intent matters.

    Also, an innocent person wouldn't keep running. He'd just reasonably explain himself and then that's it, or wait for the cops to clear things up.

    Life for killing someone is not harsh at all.

    It's 4 lives wasted, 3 of them in costly confinement. Who the hell wins?

    [–]mahavishnunj 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's not like they went to lynch a black man for being in a white neighborhood

    thats EXACTLY what it was like. did you even read anything about this or watch the video?

    dude was sketchy.

    maybe. but you know what? i work with tons of sketchy people every day. i dont chase them down and shoot them. crazy right?

    Also, an innocent person wouldn't keep running. He'd just reasonably explain himself and then that's it, or wait for the cops to clear things up.

    this falls under the 'trolling/stupid/or actually serious' umbrella i mentioned elsewhere in the thread.

    It's 4 lives wasted, 3 of them in costly confinement. Who the hell wins?

    ok, now i know which of those options this is!

    [–]ShalomEveryoneCommunist Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I bet you thought that about Cosby too.

    lol, Cosby had a deal with the old prosecutor that if he spilled his guts giving testimony he would not have been prosecuted. New District Attorney comes in and violated a previous agreement. The new District Attorney goes to use Cosby's words against him in court that was supposed to not be used against him in a criminal proceeding. How is that relevant towards Arbery's case? Apples and oranges. The three killers had an agreement deal that was violated by a new District Attorney? Appeals are still rarely successful, I don't see how the three murderers will have their convictions overturned. It's wishful thinking believing they will "probably" have their conviction overturned.

    These media circus, politically motivated trials all deserve to be examined with a microscope.

    It will be which is why the convictions will most likely stand.

    I don't know about legally justified, but holy fuck, life in prison...

    Life is the penalty for murder, Southern states are heavyhanded with it comes to dolling out punishment.

    It's not like they went to lynch a black man for being in a white neighborhood

    That's why they are eligible for life and not death. If they went to lynch a black man then they would have been facing the death penalty. Life in prison is a fair sentence. If the three did not want life then they should have sought a plea deal before going to trial.

    People aren't lawyers intimately versed in law.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse to escape liability for their action.

    They were under the belief they were acting lawfully.

    They were wrong and faced the consequences.

    Also, an innocent person wouldn't keep running.

    People chasing someone with their truck with guns. Arbery did what most people would do when faced with something like that. Arbery ran, flight or fight kicked in and he chose to run. People run when they're scared.

    He'd just reasonably explain himself and then that's it

    There is no reasoning with some psycho chasing someone with their truck yelling at someone.

    Who the hell wins?

    Law and order wins, three men are facing life for murdering an innocent man whose crime was going out for a jog.

    Shalom

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    [–]proc0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I disagree with that decision, but I think ultimately it's because the jury has already been primed that blacks deserve unfair trials (in their favor). Ultimately they were judged by a group of their peers, and that's how the justice system works so it is what it is and it should be accepted. However there is clearly a bias towards black people that didn't exist 10-20 years ago, and it looks like this is only going to get worse. It's going to embolden more criminals, and those who like to manipulate society are hoping this would be the case .