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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

that prosecutors will not be able to refer to the people shot by Rittenhouse as "victims

Prosecutors can refer to individuals accusing Ghislaine Maxwell of sex crimes as "victims" in the upcoming trial of Jeffrey Epstein's longtime associate, a judge ruled on Monday.

Let us not pretend these are impartial decisions. Obviously Rittenhouse deserves due process but that's not really what the article is about, it's about the terminology judges allowed that will bias a jury.

[–]wristaction 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

So, you're mad that Maxwell is being treated unfairly?

I'll help you out: The prosecution witnesses are already established as victims in the Epstein trial.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The prosecution witnesses are already established as victims in the Epstein trial

That has not been proven in a court of law, they are still alleged victims and that language is prejudicial.

So, you're mad that Maxwell is being treated unfairly?

Am I on reddit, because that's the sort of deliberate obfuscation of the actual issue I would expect from there.

Every person is supposed to be presumed innocent and be entitled to a fair trial. Using language that identifies one side as the victim during trial is inappropriate, even if that person is a monster.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well Epstein was already convicted once so some of the witnesses have actually already been proven victims in a court of law.

Keep up.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Victims of Epstein. This trial is to prove Maxwell is complicit in that. If victims of somebody else sued you in court, would you want them to be referred to as victims? Legally that's the issue.

I'm looking at Ghislaine Maxwell trying to find any criminal proceedings where it has been proven she has any victims. I don't see any. She lost a civil case, settled a couple. You may know she's guilty but everyone knew Cosby was guilty too.

If you want a conspiracy, perhaps they're purposely doing this to allow reasons to overturn the probable conviction.

[–]GammaKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That has not been proven in a court of law, they are still alleged victims and that language is prejudicial.

Maxwell's counterargument isn't that the women were trafficked in self-defence, is it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Afaik she's always denied the charges, said she wasn't involved.