Where are all the conservative socialists in the West?

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[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am not paying for it therefor it is free for me.

But it is not free and you are deluding yourself by using that language. How can you have an honest opinion if you are deluding yourself?

You need to come to grips with the fact that what you want is for someone else to take care of you the way your parents did when you were a kid. And you need to realize that what that means is that someone else is working harder than you to provide for you. It is inherently unjust. You are trying to justify it with claims that the money is coming from those who magically have it but don't work for it. That is a lie of convenience.

The reality is that rich people avoid taxes and the burden of taking care of you is foisted on people whos lives are significantly diminished because of the taxes they already pay let alone the massive tax hikes it would take to foster you. Which, by the way, would dwarf the benefit you could ever see because of the horrible inefficiency of government.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it is not free and you are deluding yourself by using that language.

You are the one deluding yourself. Free is something you don't pay for. There is no other definition.

"working harder" Or is perhaps lucky. Regardless, we are all part of the same society and must provide for the less lucky. Those who want to hoard the wealth for themselves with delusional thoughts that they earned it themselves should to jail and lose their ill-gotten gains.

"The reality is that rich people avoid taxes" As I said, the US has a terrible taxation system. That is not an excuse to stop taxing at all. I would primarily tax corporations - not private individuals.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Regardless, we are all part of the same society and must provide for the less lucky.

What about the more lazy? Should the hard working be forced to provide for the lazy?

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Depending on what you mean by "lazy" and "provide". I believe that food, shelter, basic education, security and healthcare are human rights that every citizen must have access to regardless of anything. If a person simply doesn't want to work then he should still be provided with food and a bed in a clean and safe environment. If your economy can afford it, then swap "bed" for "room". Healthcare includes psychiatric help and education includes helping someone find a job.

Other then that I say the society shouldn't needlessly waste resources on those who simply refuse to give back despite being able to.

A lot of things that a society should provide isn't direct support of individuals. We should be building fairer cities that can be navigated without a car. Mixed neighborhoods that prevent the growth of economic segregation, cheap, high quality public transport etc.