Where are all the conservative socialists in the West?

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Socialism is government ownership of buisness. All forms of government have taxes and government institutions.

If what you listed were socialism then the socialists should STFU because they already have it, right?

[–]IamCleaver[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

"Socialism is government ownership of business." That is a narrow deffiniton. That isn't what I mean when I say "socialism". The businesses can be owned by anyone (unless it is a strategically important business, in which case the government should indeed have the majority of the shares), but the government should make sure that they are producing as much taxes as possible and that those taxes are benefiting the whole society and providing help for the needy.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

That is a narrow deffiniton.

No, that is THE definition. If you mean something else than use a different word. What you are doing is repeating propaganda from hucksters who literally want communism, see socialism as a stepping stone, and tricked people like you into supporting that first step by lying to you about what socialism is. You, nor they, get to redefine socialism. That is not how language works. Socialism has a definition, if that is not what you mean then YOU are using the word wrong.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

From Google's dictionary: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR regulated by the community as a whole" That is at least on of definitions. By this definitions, businesses might not be directly owned by the government, as long as the government is keeping them in check. I believe in strong government regulation of (mostly) privately owned business. If you support a stricter definition of "socialism" then you have that right, but for now, the term fits my meaning, at least in sensu lato.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"The community as a whole" IS GOVERNMENT!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Really. That is so strange. We are all politicians? I wonder in what dimension you live, dude. Schyzophrenialand?

Here is a proper definition of socialism: https://philosophyterms.com/socialism/

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Government is not defined by being run by politicians, it is literally anyone who governs. Even a pure democracy still has a government. But a pure democracy on a scale of more than 100 or so people is impossible. No two people will agree on everything. The more people you have the more conflict there is.

If you are stuck on trying to redefine socialism you clearly have nothing intelligent to say.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what is wrong with the government? I AM a statist

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is wrong with which government?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

YOU are the one spouting communist propaganda and saying I am redefining things. Sigh. I should have kept you blocked.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, you should definitely hide in your bubble to maintain the illusion that you can defend your indefensible beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the kicker: I don't have beliefs.