AOC breaks down basic biology after Gov. Greg Abbott said women raped in Texas had 6 weeks to get an abortion

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[–]proc0 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Human cognitive characteristics appear in 12 weeks, before which I would agree should be enough time for Planned Parenthood to help, if you can locate the only Planned Parenthood in your state.

I think the passage of time alone does not create a human. I'm not sure how many weeks exactly is appropriate for the law, but I believe the idea is to promote responsibility, with some window of time for rape cases, and as I mentioned perhaps exceptions for medical anomalies.

An oversimplification. Everyone alive was once a zygote. Yes, I would have wanted my mother to decide on giving birth to me within the first 12 months.

My point is that people who didn't get aborted, are now trying to dictate when it's ok for a potential somebody to be alive. It's kicking the ladder (of life) behind you, so to speak. We made it and now we're dictating what life is? Seems unfair in my opinion.

Of course, but applying a 6-week rule to everyone and closing the Planned Parenthood centers creates additional problems for women, and especially for women who were raped, or don't understand sex because it was not discussed at Church, or whatever.

I'm not sure about the closing of Planned Parenthood... that seems like a different issue, even though it's related. I won't comment on that now. Women who need extra resources of education on the matter could be helped in different ways. I'm not sure why hospitals and local clinics are not doing Planned Parenthood's job, or why we need this separate institution for this.

Let women determine what's best for them, not the Texas governor or a morally corrupt Supreme Court. There is a moral component here that the Texas law literally abuses women.

The life of the mother is also important, and the 1st trimester limit for abortions had a lot of support in the US, because that's when cognitive functions begin to develop.

What we have here is women determining what is best for a future human being, not just their own health. It's the mother's health for 9 months vs. the full life of a human being, medical anomalies and exceptions aside.

The choice of women is really at the time of having sex. Especially now after the "metoo" movement, where most men have to be very careful about consent. Women have more control than ever, so there's no reason to be irresponsible with sexual encounters anymore.

I'll say this, since this would need to get enforced, I think maybe men should also be held accountable and punished. Responsibility should not only fall on women. I just don't know what exactly that would mean or how it would be enforced, but having sex with no responsibility creates an immoral society... sex is like fire, or drugs, or anything dangerous, it's just not obvious on the surface level, and that's for another thread.

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I believe the idea is to promote responsibility

Yes - which Planned Parenthood does, among other help groups. Girls need to learn how to avoid pregnancy &c. Criminalizing abortion between weeks 7 and 12 is a police state tactic, not a promotion of responsibility.

It's kicking the ladder (of life) behind you, so to speak

Yes - which is why abortion laws address the problem of when life really begins. The Church argues that it begins at conception. Others have said that it begins with the initial processes of cognitive development (12 - 24 weeks), and religious legislators in Texas have criminalized abortion after the moment of a beating heart, around 6 weeks.

I'm not sure why hospitals and local clinics are not doing Planned Parenthood's job, or why we need this separate institution

Agreed

What we have here is women determining what is best for a future human being, not just their own health. It's the mother's health for 9 months vs. the full life of a human being, medical anomalies and exceptions aside.

Yes

The choice of women is really at the time of having sex.

Women sometimes don't have this choice, or don't understand what's happening, or tried the wrong birth control method, or whatever. They cannot be kept in burqas and shut inside all day, in find other ways to avoid men. Indeed pregnancies increase among girls who don't understand sex.

no reason to be irresponsible with sexual encounters anymore.

Depends on where girls are learning about sex

men should also be held accountable and punished.

Sounds good - but one could argue that men are many times more irresponsible about their roles in sex, and criminalizing their activities - while fair - could create many other problems, especially related to misogyny and other forms of hostility that are growing in polularity among boys & men. Long gone is the "new age sensitive man". Boys concepts of sex are now widely influenced by pornography, much of it about dominance. 40 years ago, most kids saw porn in the form of a few copies Playboy in someone's dad's attic, and had to learn the rest in person.

having sex with no responsibility creates an immoral society

Agreed - and this is perhaps for another thread - but there is a long ethical debate about - essentially - "one's right is another's responsibility", which normally addresses civic responsibility, rather than sex, love &c. (Alasdair MacIntyre and Charles Taylor have written at length about it.) But more generally, most people (of 7.6 billion, and historically) who become pregnant or cause pregnancies aren't - in my view - thinking responsibility until afterward, at best.

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There are free Women Centers run by Christians all over the US. They do free consultations and ultrasounds. The only downside is that they will talk about the love and sacrifice of Jesus every ten minutes. But it is all free, and they are usually given good reviews.