Shocking poll finds many Americans now want to secede from the United States
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[–]StillLessons 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun - 2 years ago (4 children)
There are two fundamentally opposed political systems operating side by side at this point. The idea of "crossing the aisle" or "bipartisanship" is impossible when the disagreement is this profound. One group wants a government whose foundational purpose is to create equal outcomes. In order to do that, that government will need complete control over all aspects of life. It's the only way it can "work". (It never will, but within the philosophy, they must have this power).
The other group wants government stripped of all but the most basic powers, with the primary political unit being the individual, limited only when absolutely necessary for social harmony.
These two philosophies cannot be reconciled.
Thinking of it as "secession" doesn't quite get at it. We need a clean divorce, with each side getting 50-50 on the assets of the prior marriage.
It'll never happen peacefully, but it's the only sustainable long-term goal.
[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (3 children)
The biggest problems of two "opposing" systems, Left and Right wings of the business war hawk party, is when they align for unified totalitarianism on issues, such as that COVID is real, terror is real, taxes are necessary, government must always grow, they must be world police, etc.
[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (2 children)
You make a good point. Most of the people on this forum are familiar with the fact that the two dominant political parties in the US share goals at a more fundamental level than they disagree. I would argue that the philosophy I describe of wanting to strip government back to powerlessness currently has no institutional home. Few republicans in positions of power realize the depth that people are done with this top down shit. The republican party is not anyone's savior; I hope people figure that out soon. But it seems to me there is now ~50% of the country (at least) who are ready for a conversation about scrapping the entire framework by which both parties are benefiting. This is a big part of why the big push for censorship. The borg also realizes what I am saying here, and they are working hard (and quite effectively, so far) to prevent this 50% of the country from organizing and networking.
The good news is that they are losing ground. The trend is in our direction. Gotta keep the pressure on.
[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun - 2 years ago (1 child)
share goals at a more fundamental level than they disagree
99.99% in agreement, same in all nations except those in dramatic revolution.
We need a Minarchist Party who'd chief goal is to shrink all forms of government (including and starting with the deep state and their secretive bullshit) and let people come up with their own alternatives and solutions without meddling.
The republican party is not anyone's savior; I hope people figure that out soon.
Same with Dems. People don't vote FOR anything anymore. They vote AGAINST the worst of two evils.
Gotta keep the pressure on.
Yes, if we can all survive the COVID-climate-food-collapse tyranny.
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