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[–]StillLessons 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

There are two fundamentally opposed political systems operating side by side at this point. The idea of "crossing the aisle" or "bipartisanship" is impossible when the disagreement is this profound. One group wants a government whose foundational purpose is to create equal outcomes. In order to do that, that government will need complete control over all aspects of life. It's the only way it can "work". (It never will, but within the philosophy, they must have this power).

The other group wants government stripped of all but the most basic powers, with the primary political unit being the individual, limited only when absolutely necessary for social harmony.

These two philosophies cannot be reconciled.

Thinking of it as "secession" doesn't quite get at it. We need a clean divorce, with each side getting 50-50 on the assets of the prior marriage.

It'll never happen peacefully, but it's the only sustainable long-term goal.

[–]Goeffroi_de_Charny 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Succinctly and clearly stated. Probably accurate too, for better or worse.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The biggest problems of two "opposing" systems, Left and Right wings of the business war hawk party, is when they align for unified totalitarianism on issues, such as that COVID is real, terror is real, taxes are necessary, government must always grow, they must be world police, etc.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You make a good point. Most of the people on this forum are familiar with the fact that the two dominant political parties in the US share goals at a more fundamental level than they disagree. I would argue that the philosophy I describe of wanting to strip government back to powerlessness currently has no institutional home. Few republicans in positions of power realize the depth that people are done with this top down shit. The republican party is not anyone's savior; I hope people figure that out soon. But it seems to me there is now ~50% of the country (at least) who are ready for a conversation about scrapping the entire framework by which both parties are benefiting. This is a big part of why the big push for censorship. The borg also realizes what I am saying here, and they are working hard (and quite effectively, so far) to prevent this 50% of the country from organizing and networking.

The good news is that they are losing ground. The trend is in our direction. Gotta keep the pressure on.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

share goals at a more fundamental level than they disagree

99.99% in agreement, same in all nations except those in dramatic revolution.

We need a Minarchist Party who'd chief goal is to shrink all forms of government (including and starting with the deep state and their secretive bullshit) and let people come up with their own alternatives and solutions without meddling.

The republican party is not anyone's savior; I hope people figure that out soon.

Same with Dems. People don't vote FOR anything anymore. They vote AGAINST the worst of two evils.

Gotta keep the pressure on.

Yes, if we can all survive the COVID-climate-food-collapse tyranny.

[–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

So according to this study, there is 37% support for secession among all respondents, and 66% support for secession among southern Republicans. Those are respectible numbers, but they can go higher. Lets see what happens when there is 50% support for secession among all respondents.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

These people think Trump is the answer though. A degenerate commie Zionist whose handlers were gay Jew pedophiles like Stone and Cohn and who was friends with all the perps who demolished the towers.

They actually think Trump was stolen the election, and they think Trump is mad about it when we know the entire charade was Chertoff's Nobis perception management.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Trump started the lockdowns and the vaccines after all.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It started long before that.

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yep. 2017. World Economic Forum started planning it then.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think it started when man crawled out of the slime.

[–]mahavishnunj 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

for sure, because presidents actually make decisions.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

LOL

[–]RedEyedWarriorIndependent 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Let me rephrase that: Trump didn’t bother to stop Fauci from causing trouble until it was too late. Also, Trump called out Sweden and Brazil for refusing to lockdown.

[–]mahavishnunj 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

again-you think presidents make decisions. thinking TRUMP of all of them ever made a decision is the most laughable part.

[–]adultmanhwa 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

balkanizeamerica.com

[–]cisheteroscumNational Justice Party 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Good

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The funny thing is the US stands for the United States which is a 20 mile radius corporation within the District of Columbia. Citizens are only made LLC's of US inc by tacit agreement. Anyone can revoke their contract whenever and stop paying taxes. Good luck, you can't have a bank account, no healthcare, not even private due to tacit contracts being latched onto you within the fine print; probably no incorporated town Fire station will put out a fire on your property, etc.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://mediadirectory.economist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Adam-Barnes-186x226.jpg

^ ^ ^ Writer of article is a wooden toothed Brit. Obviously, he wants to keep the US in Britain's sphere.

[–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe people are just sick and tired of being called racists for no reason other than what they look like.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's more like people in Tennessee don't want to pay for California's wild fires, Florida's tropical weather damage, and illegal aliens from south america.