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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When you cite me a single randomized study on medium to long term safety of vaccines.

You can't do a randomized trial on vaccines. Your control group will be unvaccinated. That's fucking dangerous.

You have to build up the evidence from cohort studies or whole of population studies.

There's no P-hacking in these studies. The outcomes are well defined before the study begins. Namely whether or not the subject get a diagnosis of autism.

Why has a randomized study never been done on the vaccination of children by the CDC to quantify the incidence of autism

Because its unethical to randomly assign not vaccinated to a group of children and have them unprotected from infections. You have to use other trial designs.

They keep avoiding this study because as long as they do they can claim “no statistically suitable evidence”

No, that's not why.

No, autoimmune diseases are set of by immune reactions.

Correct. In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Do vaccines cause you to develop an anitbody to an antigen (like covid spike protein)? Yes? Well the antibody is what causes the autoimmune disease.

Yes vaccines do that. But your immune system might be facing 10,000 new antigens from the environment at a given moment for a young child. And you might face 20 over the entire lifetime from a vaccine. Consequently it is essentially always that an autoimmune reaction is triggered by an infection rather than a vaccine.

Shingles is rare.

This is because of the chickenpox vaccine.

It is also treatable.

There's no cure.

A bunch of people just got it after getting the covid jab though.

No they didn't. Shingles is caused by the chickenpox virus (varicella-zoster). The Covid Jab does not have this virus in it.

We have no idea what percentage of measles cases are hospitalized.

the CDC has estimated that approximately 1 in 4 of cases of measles in the US result in hospitalization

The disease only occurs in immigrant communities here and rarely.

Yeah, the US has pretty good vaccine coverage. You got a nasty outbreak in 2019 though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_resurgence_in_the_United_States

But its a mild disease, just ask anyone over 60 or so.

It hospitalizes one in four. It kills one or two in 1000.

It attacks cells that make antibodies, and leaves the infected person vulnerable to other infections for about 2 years.

I disagree that it is a "mild disease". A mild disease doesn't kill.

Yes, polio is a live weakened virus and most of the outbreaks of polio in the last 15 years or so have been directly linked to the vaccine strain by analyzing the genome.

Yeah, okay, the oral polio vaccine is a weakened form of the virus.

Still, the net effect of the vaccine is an enormous about of good.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can't do a randomized trial on vaccines. Your control group will be unvaccinated. That's fucking dangerous.

Yeah, you can. The risk of a kid dying or being permanently disabled from measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hpv , hep A and B , diptheria, pertussis, rota, tetanus, meningococcal, flu, pneumoncoccal, polio cumulatively is all lower than dying of the covid jab. They’re more likely to die in a car crash. Most of these are very curable and rarely lethal. Others like hep C or hpv are really avoidable.

They know this is causing neurological problems and autoimmunity in kids because Ive seen them talk about in the literature. They need to quantify it. Theres no question that they would get willing volunteers.

You see in science, you need to PROVE that an intervention does not harm before you give it. Not only have they not done that. Theyve continued to add more and more useless vaccines to the schedule which only add risk. You need to

There's no P-hacking in these studies.

You have no way of knowing that if you haven’t analyzed all the raw data available. If you understand what P hacking is you must understand that you wouldn’t know even if you read these studies.

Correct. In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Prove it. There are dozens of viral and bacterial antigens in the schedule. How many viral and bacterial illnesses would I get <18? ~ the same number or less. We could be doubling the number of autoimmune sufferers in this country. People die of lupus and MS and RA.

But your immune system might be facing 10,000 new antigens

No. Most antigens are not from viruses and bacteria that cause human infectious illnesses. This is the subset of viruses and bacteria that are likely to implement molecular mimicry which makes them triggers of AI. There’s only a few hundred and most you will never come in contact with.

Shingles was extremely rare before the chicken pox vax. Almost no old people have had the chicken pox vax. I doubt most people over 40 have had it. It’s totally curable. Totally. You just take an antiviral. I think they give you doxycycline, pretty sure thats what they give for some other herpes viruses.

the CDC has estimated that approximately 1 in 4 of cases of measles in the US result in hospitalization

Prior to the vaccine the government estimated that the death + disability rate for measles was around 1 in 10,000 cases. That was back in the 50s before they gave free food to blacks. Malnutrition has gone down since then.

Most of these infectious diseases are wiped out in the US. The only reason we keep getting them back is because immigrants bring them. All of the measles outbreaks are from immigrants. So if the US government is forcing infectious foreign populations on Americans at least stop penalizing us by forcing us to be vaccinated. Vaccinate the foreigners or don’t let the foreigners in. If you think measles is so deadly, which it isn’t.

I disagree that it is a "mild disease". A mild disease doesn't kill.

A mild vaccine doesn’t kill. But we know lots of vaxes are killing people.

It attacks cells that make antibodies, and leaves the infected person vulnerable to other infections for about 2 years

Its funny how they’ll measure Tcell counts in healthy kids for 2 years but no one can tell be what the mean drop in platelet count is one week post covid vax.

Polio vaccine is now causing ALL cases of polio. Super.

You must prove that your intervention is not causing more illness than its curing. You now understand the mechanisms through which vaccines are causing harm if you didn’t before. Now you must prove you are not harming people (which you are). The onus is on you. The onus is on Team Vax. Thats how science works.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, you can. The risk of a kid dying or being permanently disabled from measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hpv , hep A and B , diptheria, pertussis, rota, tetanus, meningococcal, flu, pneumoncoccal, polio cumulatively is all lower than dying of the covid jab.

This is flat out wrong. The risk of dying from the old-school covid vaccines such as astrazeneca is about 1 in 3 million. The risk of dying from the mRNA vaccines is nil.

Theres no question that they would get willing volunteers.

That's not good enough for an ethics committee. They would be putting people at risk.

You see in science, you need to PROVE that an intervention does not harm before you give it

Yes. That's why they went through all those trials.

You have no way of knowing that if you haven’t analyzed all the raw data available.

Yes I do. You can't p-hack without being able to analyse different criteria for the effect. But a diagnosis of Autism doesn't have enough degrees of freedom to p-hack.

In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Prove it.

It's something that's mentioned in the literature, for instance:

Theoretically, vaccines could trigger autoimmunity by means of cytokine production, anti-idiotypic network, expression of human histocompatibility leukocyte antigens, modification of surface antigens and induction of novel antigens, molecular mimicry, bystander activation, epitope spreading, and polyclonal activation of B cells. There is strong evidence that none of these mechanisms is really effective in causing autoimmune diseases. Vaccines are not a source of autoimmune diseases. By contrast, absolute evidence exists that infectious agents can trigger autoimmune mechanisms and that they do cause autoimmune diseases. - VACCINES AND AUTOIMMUNITY

Prior to the vaccine the government estimated that the death + disability rate for measles was around 1 in 10,000 cases.

Do you have a source on this one?

A mild vaccine doesn’t kill. But we know lots of vaxes are killing people.

You don't have a source on this one. It's not true.

Polio vaccine is now causing ALL cases of polio. Super.

Prior to the vaccine, there were about 350,000 polio cases. Now, outside Pakistan and Afghanistan where there has been a resurgence due to vaccine hesitancy, there are less than 100.

That's a lot of good.

The onus is on Team Vax.

The Vaccines go through the safety and efficacy trials. They actually go through several if they become available in all countries. The safety is well established.