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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There's plenty of studies in the literature on the (lack of) link between Austism and vaccinations.

No there is not one long term (say 5 years) randomized study on unimmunized or minimally immunized children versus children getting the full schedule. There aren’t any. Got to be randomized. The FDA cant scrounge up a few million dollars to do that study in 50 years?

They wont do that study. Because they already know the answer. And they would get in big big trouble if people knew.

We need a good randomized study of a decent scale to follow kids up at least 5 or 10 years. Why is that so hard? Theyve already admitted MMR causes autism in kids with mitochondrial disorders. But they pretend like the exact same mechanism couldn’t occur in the general population which is preposterous. Its just more likely to occur with mitochodrial disorder.

You need a genetic predisposition to develop them, and then they're generally set off by an infection, by plausibly by a vaccination as well.

So people with a family history of autoimmune disorders shouldn’t get vaccines. Good we agree. Females are about 5 to 10 times more likely to get them and people under 55 have a higher risk. By the way anybody can get an autoimmune illness. Its just more likely due to genes the affect the expression of immune system.

I mean of course plausibly they can be set off by a vaccine. It is the exact same mechanism. In both cases you are building and antibody for a virus that has evolved to mimic proteins in your body to elude detection. So healthy immune systems are going to occassionally fuck up and produce an auto-antibody. Your body doesn’t care if the antigen came from pfizer or not.

I think that given the fact that the number of infectious viruses and bacteria you are likely to be exposed to naturally are going to be on the same order as ones you are exposed to by a vaccine, it could be more than half. Or it could be a tenth. A lot of these vaccines also have adjuvants that increase the immune reaction such as aluminum.

We need to cut way back on the vaxes. Some people are very unlikely to get hpv or hep because of lifestyle. Nobody really needs chicken pox and measles is really only dangerous to kids with underlying health issues. The biggest risk of mortality with measles is vitamin A deficiency and it can be treated very effectively with a vitamin A megadose.

We are currently experiencing more polio from vaccines than from wild form polio. By like at least 2x.

The CDC is not behaving in a transparant and scientifically objective manner on vaccines. Why the fuck do companies have no liability anyway?

Foot and mouth disease was also an accidental release. There were a few more epidemics that were lab made. I can’t remember off hand. They just cover the shit up. They’re psycho.

Daily reminder Fauci funded the creation of SARS Cov 2

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The FDA cant scrounge up a few million dollars to do that study in 50 years?

You'd never get randomly not immunising children (and not telling them that they're not immunised) past the ethics committee.

So that study design is not available to you. But you can look at autism rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated. You can correct for those confounders that we do know about, or you can do a linked cohort study.

We do know that it's heavily genetic: If one identical twin has austism, the other has about a 70% chance of having autism. For fraternal twins, it appears to be no more likely for the other twin to have autism than for non-twin siblings.

So what do we have for autism - vaccines?

(1) Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association

We looked for evidence of a change in trend in incidence or age at diagnosis associated with the introduction of MMR vaccination to the UK in 1988.

Our analyses do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism.

(2) Mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine and the incidence of autism recorded by general practitioners: a time trend analysis

Because the incidence of autism among 2 to 5 year olds increased markedly among boys born in each year separately from 1988 to 1993 while MMR vaccine coverage was over 95% for successive annual birth cohorts, the data provide evidence that no correlation exists between the prevalence of MMR vaccination and the rapid increase in the risk of autism over time.

(3)Time Trends in Autism and in MMR Immunization Coverage in California

These data do not suggest an association between MMR immunization among young children and an increase in autism occurrence.

(4) No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study

The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.

(5) A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism

This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.

(6) Neurologic disorders after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination

We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.

(7) Thimerosal exposure in infants and developmental disorders: a retrospective cohort study in the United kingdom does not support a causal association

With the possible exception of tics, there was no evidence that thimerosal exposure via DTP/DT vaccines causes neurodevelopmental disorders.

(8) Early Thimerosal Exposure and Neuropsychological Outcomes at 7 to 10 Years

Our study does not support a causal association between early exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines and immune globulins and deficits in neuropsychological functioning at the age of 7 to 10 years.

(9) Environmental risk factors for autism: an evidence-based review of systematic reviews and meta-analyses

Current evidence suggests that several environmental factors including vaccination, maternal smoking, thimerosal exposure, and most likely assisted reproductive technologies are unrelated to risk of ASD.

(10) Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies

The cohort data revealed no relationship between vaccination and autism

Surely at some point you've spent enough money refuting the vaccine-autism link?

We should be funding studies on the nature of the things we do know are related Late maternal age. Maternal obesity. Maternal diabetes. Birth by caesarian section. Vitamin D deficiency. And things that may contribute, but we need more evidence: Heavy metals? There's some evidence that environmental lead and mercury are related to ASD.

So people with a family history of autoimmune disorders shouldn’t get vaccines. Good we agree.

The diseases are set off by infections. People with a family history of autoimmune disorders shouldn't get infections. A good way to do that is to get vaccinations. If there's any evidence that vaccinated people have more autoimmune diseases than unvaccinated, point me to it.

I think that given the fact that the number of infectious viruses and bacteria you are likely to be exposed to naturally are going to be on the same order as ones you are exposed to by a vaccine, it could be more than half.

What do you mean by "on the same order" in this sentence?

We need to cut way back on the vaxes.

Why would we cut back on the most cost effective health intervention that we have?

Some people are very unlikely to get hpv or hep because of lifestyle.

Uh-huh.

Nobody really needs chicken pox

Shingles is really really uncomfortable. And does come with complications as you age.

and measles is really only dangerous to kids with underlying health issues.

If you define being under 5 as an "underlying health issue".

About 1 in 4 measles patients are hospitalized. Which is a lot more expensive than a vaccination.

The biggest risk of mortality with measles is vitamin A deficiency and it can be treated very effectively with a vitamin A megadose.

The vaccine is very effective. 85%. Vitamin A megadose is less effective.

We are currently experiencing more polio from vaccines than from wild form polio. By like at least 2x.

Vaccines don't cause polio.

The CDC is not behaving in a transparant and scientifically objective manner on vaccines.

Well they're following the research, so they are scientifically objective.

Daily reminder Fauci funded the creation of SARS Cov 2

Nope. Still not true.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Surely at some point you've spent enough money refuting the vaccine-autism link?

Sure. When you cite me a single randomized study on medium to long term safety of vaccines.

A single randomized statistically reliable study. THE GOLD STANDARD OF SCIENCE.

Not one. It doesn’t exist.

Did you cite a randomized study? No, nopers, nyet.

You cited retrospective studies, meta-analyses. This is not the same.

The data is biased. Its not reliable. These are the rules of statistics and I did not make them up.

I did this sort of analysis. You cherry pick data sets and then you selectively show the data that you like and hide the data you don’t. Because >99.9% of the population, even other doctors, don’t understand your field of expertise, you can exploit the intellectual chasm and manipulate the interpretation of data. Aka P-hacking.

The only reliable result here is to perform a random study on a suitably large population and look at control vs intervention several years out.

Why has a randomized study never been done on the vaccination of children by the CDC to quantify the incidence of autism and autoimmunity after a reasonable time period (longer than 7 days certainly!) Never been done.

They keep avoiding this study because as long as they do they can claim “no statistically suitable evidence”

The diseases are set off by infections. People with a family history of autoimmune disorders shouldn't get infections

No, autoimmune diseases are set of by immune reactions. Do vaccines cause you to develop an anitbody to an antigen (like covid spike protein)? Yes? Well the antibody is what causes the autoimmune disease.

Anytime you get a cold you could get an autoimmune disease. Any time you get a vaccine you can get an autoimmune disease. Infectious disease causing microbes want to look like your own cells to elude immune detection. Vaccines want to look like those same microbes. Antibodies are developed to attack the proteins on the microbe but they attack you instead.

Shingles is really really uncomfortable. And does come with complications as you age.

Shingles is rare. It is also treatable. A bunch of people just got it after getting the covid jab though.

About 1 in 4 measles patients are hospitalized. Which is a lot more expensive than a vaccination.

We have no idea what percentage of measles cases are hospitalized. The disease only occurs in immigrant communities here and rarely. The data is probably taken from foreign underdeveloped countries that do not have any means to capture or estimate actual measles cases. But its a mild disease, just ask anyone over 60 or so.

The vaccine is very effective. 85%. Vitamin A megadose is less effective.

How do they measure 85%? Reported cases? Mortality?

Vitamin A reduced case fatality rate by ~90% in hospitalized children with measles in India I think.

Vaccines don't cause polio.

Yes, polio is a live weakened virus and most of the outbreaks of polio in the last 15 years or so have been directly linked to the vaccine strain by analyzing the genome. Do you understand what that means? That is essentially irrefutable evidence that the polio came from a vaccinated person. Look it up. There were multiple places were they proved this happened. Genetic proof.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/09/22/1953838/polio-strain-mutation-confirmed-vaccines-coming

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When you cite me a single randomized study on medium to long term safety of vaccines.

You can't do a randomized trial on vaccines. Your control group will be unvaccinated. That's fucking dangerous.

You have to build up the evidence from cohort studies or whole of population studies.

There's no P-hacking in these studies. The outcomes are well defined before the study begins. Namely whether or not the subject get a diagnosis of autism.

Why has a randomized study never been done on the vaccination of children by the CDC to quantify the incidence of autism

Because its unethical to randomly assign not vaccinated to a group of children and have them unprotected from infections. You have to use other trial designs.

They keep avoiding this study because as long as they do they can claim “no statistically suitable evidence”

No, that's not why.

No, autoimmune diseases are set of by immune reactions.

Correct. In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Do vaccines cause you to develop an anitbody to an antigen (like covid spike protein)? Yes? Well the antibody is what causes the autoimmune disease.

Yes vaccines do that. But your immune system might be facing 10,000 new antigens from the environment at a given moment for a young child. And you might face 20 over the entire lifetime from a vaccine. Consequently it is essentially always that an autoimmune reaction is triggered by an infection rather than a vaccine.

Shingles is rare.

This is because of the chickenpox vaccine.

It is also treatable.

There's no cure.

A bunch of people just got it after getting the covid jab though.

No they didn't. Shingles is caused by the chickenpox virus (varicella-zoster). The Covid Jab does not have this virus in it.

We have no idea what percentage of measles cases are hospitalized.

the CDC has estimated that approximately 1 in 4 of cases of measles in the US result in hospitalization

The disease only occurs in immigrant communities here and rarely.

Yeah, the US has pretty good vaccine coverage. You got a nasty outbreak in 2019 though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_resurgence_in_the_United_States

But its a mild disease, just ask anyone over 60 or so.

It hospitalizes one in four. It kills one or two in 1000.

It attacks cells that make antibodies, and leaves the infected person vulnerable to other infections for about 2 years.

I disagree that it is a "mild disease". A mild disease doesn't kill.

Yes, polio is a live weakened virus and most of the outbreaks of polio in the last 15 years or so have been directly linked to the vaccine strain by analyzing the genome.

Yeah, okay, the oral polio vaccine is a weakened form of the virus.

Still, the net effect of the vaccine is an enormous about of good.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can't do a randomized trial on vaccines. Your control group will be unvaccinated. That's fucking dangerous.

Yeah, you can. The risk of a kid dying or being permanently disabled from measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hpv , hep A and B , diptheria, pertussis, rota, tetanus, meningococcal, flu, pneumoncoccal, polio cumulatively is all lower than dying of the covid jab. They’re more likely to die in a car crash. Most of these are very curable and rarely lethal. Others like hep C or hpv are really avoidable.

They know this is causing neurological problems and autoimmunity in kids because Ive seen them talk about in the literature. They need to quantify it. Theres no question that they would get willing volunteers.

You see in science, you need to PROVE that an intervention does not harm before you give it. Not only have they not done that. Theyve continued to add more and more useless vaccines to the schedule which only add risk. You need to

There's no P-hacking in these studies.

You have no way of knowing that if you haven’t analyzed all the raw data available. If you understand what P hacking is you must understand that you wouldn’t know even if you read these studies.

Correct. In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Prove it. There are dozens of viral and bacterial antigens in the schedule. How many viral and bacterial illnesses would I get <18? ~ the same number or less. We could be doubling the number of autoimmune sufferers in this country. People die of lupus and MS and RA.

But your immune system might be facing 10,000 new antigens

No. Most antigens are not from viruses and bacteria that cause human infectious illnesses. This is the subset of viruses and bacteria that are likely to implement molecular mimicry which makes them triggers of AI. There’s only a few hundred and most you will never come in contact with.

Shingles was extremely rare before the chicken pox vax. Almost no old people have had the chicken pox vax. I doubt most people over 40 have had it. It’s totally curable. Totally. You just take an antiviral. I think they give you doxycycline, pretty sure thats what they give for some other herpes viruses.

the CDC has estimated that approximately 1 in 4 of cases of measles in the US result in hospitalization

Prior to the vaccine the government estimated that the death + disability rate for measles was around 1 in 10,000 cases. That was back in the 50s before they gave free food to blacks. Malnutrition has gone down since then.

Most of these infectious diseases are wiped out in the US. The only reason we keep getting them back is because immigrants bring them. All of the measles outbreaks are from immigrants. So if the US government is forcing infectious foreign populations on Americans at least stop penalizing us by forcing us to be vaccinated. Vaccinate the foreigners or don’t let the foreigners in. If you think measles is so deadly, which it isn’t.

I disagree that it is a "mild disease". A mild disease doesn't kill.

A mild vaccine doesn’t kill. But we know lots of vaxes are killing people.

It attacks cells that make antibodies, and leaves the infected person vulnerable to other infections for about 2 years

Its funny how they’ll measure Tcell counts in healthy kids for 2 years but no one can tell be what the mean drop in platelet count is one week post covid vax.

Polio vaccine is now causing ALL cases of polio. Super.

You must prove that your intervention is not causing more illness than its curing. You now understand the mechanisms through which vaccines are causing harm if you didn’t before. Now you must prove you are not harming people (which you are). The onus is on you. The onus is on Team Vax. Thats how science works.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, you can. The risk of a kid dying or being permanently disabled from measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, hpv , hep A and B , diptheria, pertussis, rota, tetanus, meningococcal, flu, pneumoncoccal, polio cumulatively is all lower than dying of the covid jab.

This is flat out wrong. The risk of dying from the old-school covid vaccines such as astrazeneca is about 1 in 3 million. The risk of dying from the mRNA vaccines is nil.

Theres no question that they would get willing volunteers.

That's not good enough for an ethics committee. They would be putting people at risk.

You see in science, you need to PROVE that an intervention does not harm before you give it

Yes. That's why they went through all those trials.

You have no way of knowing that if you haven’t analyzed all the raw data available.

Yes I do. You can't p-hack without being able to analyse different criteria for the effect. But a diagnosis of Autism doesn't have enough degrees of freedom to p-hack.

In most cases an immune response to an infection.

Prove it.

It's something that's mentioned in the literature, for instance:

Theoretically, vaccines could trigger autoimmunity by means of cytokine production, anti-idiotypic network, expression of human histocompatibility leukocyte antigens, modification of surface antigens and induction of novel antigens, molecular mimicry, bystander activation, epitope spreading, and polyclonal activation of B cells. There is strong evidence that none of these mechanisms is really effective in causing autoimmune diseases. Vaccines are not a source of autoimmune diseases. By contrast, absolute evidence exists that infectious agents can trigger autoimmune mechanisms and that they do cause autoimmune diseases. - VACCINES AND AUTOIMMUNITY

Prior to the vaccine the government estimated that the death + disability rate for measles was around 1 in 10,000 cases.

Do you have a source on this one?

A mild vaccine doesn’t kill. But we know lots of vaxes are killing people.

You don't have a source on this one. It's not true.

Polio vaccine is now causing ALL cases of polio. Super.

Prior to the vaccine, there were about 350,000 polio cases. Now, outside Pakistan and Afghanistan where there has been a resurgence due to vaccine hesitancy, there are less than 100.

That's a lot of good.

The onus is on Team Vax.

The Vaccines go through the safety and efficacy trials. They actually go through several if they become available in all countries. The safety is well established.