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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Getting infected also causes an immune reaction.

The vaccine is better, because it isn't infectious, and doesn't damage your organs.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Getting infected also causes an immune reaction.

I agree, however when young healthy people get this infection it is generally limited to their respiratory and GI tracts and the natural immune response is less severe. Antibody titers are lower with the milder infections as are basically all inflamation markers. That is because the innate immune response does the heavy lifting in younger people making it unnecessary for the body to produce a strong adaptive response. That reduces the risks of all kinds of immune complications.

Natural response is safer and better for children and young adults with no severe underlying issues. Far safer.

and doesn't damage your organs.

Demonstrably false. Your cardiovascular tissue is an organ. Your blood vessel cell linings absorb the vaccine and subsequently present the spike protein. Such as the capillaries in your brain where a great deal of inflamation takes place. That is where the immune response occurs rather than your nose which is where it would otherwise take place. Your platelets are being destroyed in the immune reaction increasing the chances of both hemmorhage and clotting.

All these vaccine headaches? They are caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. Basically mini strokes. More frequent in women because estrogen promotes clotting.

Autoimmune syndrome causes organ damage. Thats why it sucks. Lupus, RA, MS, they all cause organ damage. You can get all that shit from vaccines. These vaccines are designed to produce the strongest immune response possible. They are designed to produce a strong response in elderly people with shitty immunity. What are they going to do in a 20 year old?

Younger people are far better off just getting the disease than assualting their cardiovascular system and risking anaphylaxis. Have you seen this “Moderna arm” reaction on people’s injection arm? That is a mast cell response that is happening internally as well in places like the endothelials that line your blood vessels. That is occuring in at least 1% according to moderna’s own data.

There is no argument for young people under 40 getting this jab. Maybe it makes sense for elderly people. Maybe. Everyone else ( people under 60 or so) will do well if given antivirals early.

Prophylactic low dose antivirals are SAFER than the vaccine and the only issue is compliance. Prophylactic HCQ has been used safely on a billion people over 50 years. Ivermectin has never killed a person in 50 years.

Trust oligarchs, peasant. Trust government and big pharma. Who’s liable if you are harmed? Just you? Sounds like a great deal.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Natural response is safer and better for children and young adults with no severe underlying issues. Far safer.

Certainly not for the mRNA vaccines.

Young adults age 18 to 34 years hospitalized with COVID-19 experienced substantial rates of adverse outcomes: 21% required intensive care, 10% required mechanical ventilation, and 2.7% died. Clinical Outcomes in Young US Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19, Cunningham et. al. JAMA (2020)

The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.4% in the vaccine group and 0.2% in the placebo group. No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine. - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html#18-serious-adverse-events

Have you seen this “Moderna arm” reaction on people’s injection arm? That is a mast cell response that is happening internally as well in places like the endothelials that line your blood vessels.

Okay. You might need to point me to the research showing inflammation of the endothelials in people with CoVID arm.

Pointing out that getting CoVID will also give you endothelial dysfunction: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7554490/

Prophylactic low dose antivirals are SAFER than the vaccine and the only issue is compliance. Prophylactic HCQ has been used safely on a billion people over 50 years.

The issue there is that it is ineffective.

We found no evidence of a difference in COVID-19 mortality among people who received hydroxychloroquine for treatment of rheumatological disease before the COVID-19 outbreak in England. - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30378-7/fulltext

Ivermectin has never killed a person in 50 years.

Again, what is missing is evidence of effectiveness: https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904 https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904

Trust government and big pharma.

Your post is literally shilling for ongoing doses of HCQ or Ivermectin, for literally everyone for literally ever. Rather than 2 shots of a vaccine.

Do you really claim big pharma would prefer the vaccine?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Young adults age 18 to 34 years hospitalized with COVID-19 Young adults who are hospitalized with covid have underlying conditions. Healthy kids do not get severe covid. They will have the most severe reactions to the vaccine. There is no upside to the vaccine if you are under 40 unless you have a serious physical disabiltiy.

The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.4% in the vaccine group and 0.2% in the placebo group. No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine.

Right on the table it shows multiple side effect categories where subjects had severe side effects higher than 0.4%!

18- 55 years: severe redness 0.5%, severe fatigue 4.6%, severe headache 3.2% (the headaches are brainclots!), severe chills 2.1%, severe muscle pain 2.2%, severe joint pain 1.0%

Those are just the younger adults. I wonder how they calculated that number. Even if you add in the other age groups multiple categories are going to be well over 0.4%. They mostly look to be statistically significant against the control.

No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine.

I wonder how they can get away with this statement! It is bewildering.

Okay. You might need to point me to the research showing inflammation of the endothelials in people with CoVID arm.

“Our suspicion of delayed-type or T-cell–mediated hypersensitivity was supported by skin-biopsy specimens obtained from a patient with a delayed large local reaction who was not among the 12 patients described here. Those specimens showed superficial perivascular and perifollicular lymphocytic infiltrates with rare eosinophils and scattered mast cells “ https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102131

Just search moderna arm. It happens on about day 8 after the vax. They have no idea why. Just moderna.

I am going to adress the ivermectin and hcq points in a little bit. Hopefully before bed.

Edit:

I looked at that HCQ prophylaxis study. Heres the thing. It looks at NHS data on RA and Lupus patients some of whom are on HCQ maintenance. (We don’t know how much)

There are 30,569 patients that filled HCQ scripts in the 6 months prior to the study date. There were 70 deaths. So they are comparing the death rate to the non-HCQ group.

What level of confidence can you have that the 70 who died were people that were not non-compliant? These were people that were not interviewed. Among the non-HCQ group you can assume that a high proportion were taking corticosteroids. Corticosteroids are going to reduce your mortality from covid for sure. How much? Who knows. But we dont know how many people became symptomatic or tested positive.

There are multiple studies of ivermectin and HCQ used as pre exp. prophylaxis. Almost all show benefit similar to vaccines. HCQ prophylaxis doses were mostly tested at 400mg a week because that is what they use for malaria. I suspect a more reasonable dose for high effectivenes will be about 600 or 800 mg a week. Still a very low dose that could be taken for decades.

https://c19hcq.com/#prep

https://c19ivermectin.com/#prep

Your post is literally shilling for ongoing doses of HCQ or Ivermectin, for literally everyone for literally ever. Rather than 2 shots of a vaccine.

Because they will save someone’s life. They are safer. You literally only have to take one or two pills a week. It is cheap. The science is with me.

Even aside from the blood clot issue and the potential for developing an autoimmune disease and the anaphylaxis ......

They still haven’t solved the ADE issue. Ive read several researchers who say that a future variant is likely to cause ADE — an infection of increased severity because you have antibodies. At least in some people. The people that will get the sickest from an ADE response will be young people, the very people least likely to benefit from the vaccine otherwise. The only way to mitigate the ADE effect if you are young is to continue getting boosters every year or so.