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[–]fred_red_beans 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (52 children)

The choice is mine, and I will do neither.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

You choose mate.

If you kill a few american's that the patriotic thing to do!

And at least the families of the deceased have the comfort of knowing you're slightly less likely to pass on any sociopath genes you have: Erectile Dysfunction Risk 6 Times Higher in Men With COVID.

[–]bananafridge 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

I love you cited that obvious bit of propaganda - 'may cause'. Catching Covid-19 'may cause' your dick to become physically larger. Climate change 'may cause' brighter summers, better agricultural conditions at polar latitudes and a happier populous. Communism 'may cause' sight loss

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

COVID may cause you to have X-ray vision or may cause your head to explode.

The choice is yours.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh for fuck's sake.

Do we have to go through the meaning of "may cause" in this context?

It means "will cause, in some cases."

Not "we don't know if it's related."

Jesus please us.

[–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm guessing this is your same response you give to the people worried about blood clots two of the vaccines gave lol

kinda hard to point to a few rare cases as a reason to get it when people are using the same fear mongering logic to justify doing the opposite

[–]bananafridge 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The difference between correlation and causality is apparently difficult for some people to understand. So yes, maybe we ought to go through it, for your benefit.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you suggesting that there's some confounding factor that causes both CoVID and erectile dysfunction?

Or are you suggesting that erectile dysfunction causes CoVID?

Because neither of those have the biological plausibility of CoVID causing erectile dysfunction.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Fauci killed 3 million people world wide when he funded genetic experiments on coronavirus in a Wuhan laboratory that is coincidentally across the street from the ‘wet market’ where the Covid outbreak supposedly originated.

Still haven’t found the intermediate host that infected humans with SARS Cov 2. Because it lives in a lab funded by Anthony Fauci.

Obama banned NIH funding for gain of function research. Why did Fauci go to such trouble to get around the ban with subgrants and foreign labs?

Trusted experts made this virus.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"funded by Anthony Fauci" is hyperbolic, but the actual facts should still be discussed soberly: The NIH and NIAID funded the research through third-party contractors like EcoHealth Alliance, who worked with labs in China and published scientific papers with them.

It should not be taboo for our news media to point out these facts. I suspect everybody's hands are a little bit dirty.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is “Lenin killed millions” hyperbolic? He implemented policies that killed millions.

Fauci is head of the NIAID for like 20 years and this shit not only crossed his desk, he actively sought ways around the GOF ban. You are trying to make it seem impersonal as if uncontrollable government agencies were just acting on their own accord. Fauci and the WHO’s Peter Daszak and Ralph Baric actively pushed for this research. It is a small community with a lot of money and a limited number of actors. They perpetrated this as much as any ‘war criminal’ absolutely.

The wuhan institute —and probably other gov labs we dont know about —have been doing this sort of dangerous research for decades and it doesn’t seem to have any value added towards developing medical interventions. Wuhan is the capital of coronavirus research. What insights did the NIH gain by funding these experiments, what drugs do we know of now as a result? What knowlege have we increased by virtue of these experiments being performed? None.

We have gained no practical medical knowlege about coronavirus by funding a decade of Wuhan experiments.

It is as if the acquisition of practical medical knowlege had nothing to do with this research. So then one must ask, why was it done?

I think it is much worse than you are thinking it is. I think this guy has not stayed in power in key govenment health agencies for so long for no reason. I dont know if this release was intentional but I know what these bugs were created for.

You do know that Peter Daszak —head of Eco-Health— was working with Shi Zheng li on coronaviruses as early as 20 years ago (after SARS 1), is a co-author of one of the wuhan joint coronavirus studies likely to have created the virus, and is literally on the WHO panel to investigate the origin of SARS Cov 2?

The guy helped create covid and he has been hired to investigate its origins. These aren’t hapless bureacrats. These are the biggest liars on the planet.

Could you create a virus that killed 3 million people and then sit on a panel meant to investigate where it came from? They are psychos. Its not hyperbole. I am soberly discussing the fact that these events have been orchestrated by psychos.

What does a psycho look like when he has a 140 IQ? He doesn’t perpetrate drivebys in the hood. He does this sort of shit, and he gets away with it. You can’t conceive that our country is being run by literal psychos so you self soothe by saying “everybody’s hands are a little dirty”. Its just far worse than you think unfortunately.

[–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

"Wah wah reeeeeeeeee! You are putting others at risk wah wah reeeeeeeee!"

Risk of what, having a cold and a 99.97% chance of survival followed by NATURAL immunity that surpasses the experimental gene altering jab?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

350,000 dead Americans isn't a cold.

If you think a jab can alter your genes, you should seize the opportunity.

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

That number of people, and more, die every year from the flu. Except this year! As those deaths were recategorized to help push the Cov2 narrative. Magically making to flu disappear. People will die regardless because that's how life works, and nothing can be done about it. The problem comes when governments sacrifice the lives of the living for the sake of the dead. That's backwards and wrong. But then again the whole situation is wrong, evil and criminal. The virus was funded by NIH and crafted in a CCP virology lab and then either released intentionally or "accidentally" as a pretext for a "Global Reset." Millions of people's lives (most of whom don't fall into the vulnerable category and who's survival rate IS 99.97%) were ruined due the government's response. The deaths (if they are ever accurately counted and not censored) from poverty, hunger, mental illness, murder, drug addiction, abuse and alcoholism will greatly overshadow that number of "Cov2" deaths in no time. But you won't hear about that because it doesn't illicit the desired reaction from the masses. That truthful narrative will illicit rage and anger in the populace. "Cov2" has been manipulated to illicit FEAR! It's a Hegelian dialectic as old as time Problem-Reaction-Solution. Those who fall for it deserve that experimental jab and all that comes with it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Nope. Flu gets about 20,000 in the USA each year. Worst year ever was a little over 60,000.

Why do you think 500,000 more people died in 2000 than in 1999 in the USA?

The virus was funded by NIH and crafted in a CCP virology lab and then either released intentionally or "accidentally" as a pretext for a "Global Reset."

You do know that that's batshit crazy, don't you?

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Ha batshit, that's a good one. You should take that act on the road cause you're a laughing stock.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biosafety-expert-explains-why-faucis-nih-gain-of-function-testimony-was-demonstrably-false/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/05/12/people-bring-the-receipts-after-fauci-attempts-to-dodge-connections-to-wuhan-lab-n2589274

https://nypost.com/2021/05/09/theory-that-covid-escaped-from-a-lab-may-not-be-far-fetched/

It's black and white clear as day where the money came from and what it was used for. But then again I'm not surprised that a mainstream lemming like yourself missed all of that, it requires reading and thought, two things you are incapable of. "CNN said that's not true reeeeeeeeeeee, you're crazy! Anything that goes against my brainwashed narrative is crazy!"

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Okay. Lets start with the common ground. It's not impossible that COVID escaped from a lab. But we have no evidence of that, barring Xi's recalcitrance when dealing with the WHO investigation. And that is arose as viruses do, is 100% plausible.

That's done.

Fauci does not have connections to a Lab in Wuhan.

NIH did provide funding to a New York based non profit called EcoHealth Alliance that conducted research on bat coronaviruses, and they had a partnership with a virology lab in Wuhan. (That research did not include making new viruses.)

The townhall and national review articles are not true. And not helpful.

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

What's it like being a bot?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How the hell would I know?

I imagine it would make choosing which picture contains traffic lights difficult.

What's it like being so steeped in conspiracy theories that you think the NIH funded the "crafting" of CoVID-19?

How do you feel about lizard overlords, chem-trails and homeopathy?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not impossible that COVID escaped from a lab. But we have no evidence of that,

It makes me hopeful that you are willing to admit this much. But I think there is no evidence whatsoever that the virus came from the wet market directly and the locale also includes a bio-safety level 2 protocol lab across the street making it easily a potential source of SARS Cov 2, given the airborne nature of the virus. I wonder if wuhan scientists ever stop in to the market across the street from their work before they go home?

Upon investigation, no SARS Cov 2-like virus was found in any animal likely to be sold in the Huanan wet market. There are SARS CoV 2 -like viruses in the laboratory across the street though. They published studies on how they created them which anyone can read.

It is not plausible that this virus arose naturally. There was no intermediate host population found with a SARS Cov 2 like virus, as we found with SARS (civets) and MERS (camels). The virus would have to be relatively widespread in this population and would have had to infect it for months or years. The virus cannot jump from bats to humans. It needs a more human-like host to infect first, which it would use as an evolutionary “stepping stone” before infecting humans. Most coronaviruses seem to get to humans this way, originating in bats and making their way through other species, one mutation at a time. A bat to human zoonotic leap is not thought to be possible.

As soon as the virus was isolated from humans the researchers noted its “high affinity for human ACE2 receptor”. That does not happen naturally with a zoonotic transfer to a new host. Viruses are inefficient at infecting new hosts initially. They must mutate many more times to fully adapt to a host. This will take weeks or months at least.

You do not see a brand new natural virus, new to human populations, that is perfectly adapted to exploit a human cell receptor.

This virus was bred to infect human cells in humanize mice over millions of generations.

Fauci does have connection to Wuhan lab. His NIAID grants are cited as funding for at least two Wuhan Institute of Virology studies which created multiple SARS like hybrids that infected Human ACE2 receptor. Peter Daszak (Eco Health Alliance) also sourced is a co-author of one of these studies, and was on the WHO panel to investigate Wuhan.

The WHO investigator was co-author and funder of the Wuhan studies on coronavirus. Hello?

Its going to come out. Its the only plausible explanation, other than another state actor producing this virus and releasing it in Wuhan to frame the Chinese. But Im an Occams razor kind of person. Its not really a China virus. Multiple Americans worked on these viruses, particularly the guys at USC Chapel Hill. There is no way it is natural.

The virology community gets $$$$$ from government and they love this kind of work. They dont want to lose (defense) dollars. Im telling you what’s up.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698

NIAID, NIH, USAID funding listed.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and the locale also includes a bio-safety level 2 protocol lab across the street making it easily a potential source of SARS Cov 2, given the airborne nature of the virus

I can't find that lab across the street from the wet market. Which street?

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here is the Global Reset plan in black and white. Read it. Use a dictionary for all those big words you don't understand.

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-tNG7MjZUicS-wiJb/page/n17/mode/2up

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To avoid the consequences flowing from the pandemic part of the lockstep scenario, get yourself vaccinated against the pandemic.

The NIH didn't fund the CoViD virus.

There are a lot of humans on the planet now. As a consequence of that we're going to get more versions of viruses appearing naturally. Which increases the chance of some of them being nasty. That's the most likely source of the virus.

I worry a little bit that China was hostile to the WHO investigation as to the origins of the virus, and it's not impossible that this is because they've got something to hide. But more likely Xi is just being a dick in order to show that they can't be pushed around: Or possibly they're comfortable with the perception that they have sophisticated biological weapons research going on.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I absolutely agree with you. About the dead people anyway.

I think the lockdown measures were inappropriate and an excuse to crack down on civil liberties, but Im tired of people minimizing the deaths of so many elderly. Survival rate is not 99.9999% for people over 65, its like 90 or 95% which sucks.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and an excuse to crack down on civil liberties

This isn't the patriot act. When the disease is gone, you're not going to need to lock down or wear a mask any more.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly the patriot act. This is the patriot act for liberals. You remember how conservatives were so gung ho for the patriot act because they thought it was only going to be used to crack down on a bunch of muslim terrorists? But now every white guy that says nigger can’t fly on a commercial airplane now.

This is exactly the patriot act. Vaccine passports, what are you shitting me?

Don’t worry only ten thousand young people have to die. Adverse reactions totally rare. Magnets are sticking to people’s arms, no one knows why.

If this is no biggy why haven’t we done this with AIDS? How about everyone have an AIDS passport. It will save lives if everyone can be verified as having HIV or not. How gays and blacks would still be alive? How much public healthcare dollars could we save by cutting down on AIDS cases? It wont be forever. Just until we end AIDS.

That would never happen because liberals would never allow a black or gay person who is spreading a lethal disease to have a sad feely. Double standard.

[–]ktmktmktm 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What are you on about?

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Men with covid are over 80.

[–]dramasexual 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

If you kill a few american's that the patriotic thing to do!

This but unironically. Suck my nuts you actual bootlicker.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This^

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cry about it fag

[–]FuckMasks 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Found the brainwashed propaganda spewer!

I hope you're paid to spray all the bullshit you have over this comments section and not actually that pitifully moronic....

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Another sock puppet account, just days old and all worked up to fight for the mainstream narrative. Good job calling bullshit on thia shill.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where would you say that comes in the pyramid of debate?

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You're in the covid cult? Did you get free fries and a burger with that?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

CoVID cult?

People who don't intend to go around spreading CoVID?

Wrong way round, mate.

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

People who don't intend to go around spreading CoVID?

No, people who believe in the covid hoax. It's like a new breatharianism.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Is that how communists are trying to increase the impact on the us economy?

By spreading that it's all a hoax?

What do to think is killing the people?

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What do to think is killing the people?

You're saying the ONLY thing you've read about this for the past year is Official State Propaganda? Do you also happen to use reddit, and watch one of the late night comedians on television?

Okay then, people in positions of power in the government and corporations have your individual best interests in mind, and would never choose money and power over your health or reproductive abilities. Go ahead and get one of those substances injected into your body.

https://files.catbox.moe/ybp658.mp4

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Okay, you've linked to a video of a guy who, in Belgium promoted the H1N1 vaccine.

He's not talking about money or power. Which makes sense. Vaccines is a poor vehicle for money making as they're pretty cheap and the margins are low. They're probably the most cost-effective medical intervention that humanity has.

Go ahead and get one of those substances injected into your body.

Of course. As soon as I'm able.

What do you think is the cause of the 500,000 extra deaths in the US in 2020 than in 2019?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

He's not talking about money or power. Which makes sense. Vaccines is a poor vehicle for money making as they’re pretty cheap and the margins are low.

Nope

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/vaccines-are-profitable-so-what/385214/

Profit margins are high, and we are talking about several billion people * $40 to $60 dollars. Thats just for the first round. But since they haven’t solved the ADE problem young people may have no other choice but to get boosters indefinitely.

A course of ivermectin is safe enough to be sold OTC and would cost about 7 bucks. To cure covid. Because there’s no patent on it so billionaires dont get a cut. Ivermectin in early stage covid results in ~99% resolution ( prevention of progression to severe form.) But you can’t make money that way.

I can’t believe that video doesn’t bother you. You claim to care about people dying of covid but I guess you are okay with the contempt that that guy clearly has for the peasants.

What do you think is the cause of the 500,000 extra deaths in the US in 2020 than in 2019?

Covid. Were you the one I was discussing this number with before? I think so. I absolutely believe they have undercounted covid deaths by 100 or 150 thousand. I believe these are nursing home deaths.

This is the only place where it would be disincentivized to report covid deaths but the incentive to allow old people to die of it without reporting it would be very high. You probably know how the financing of nursing homes works to some extent. If they report these deaths as covid deaths they would be investigated and sued. They quarantined all these places from visitors so it was easy to keep prying eyes out.

That is where your missing covid cases are, mark my words.

Trust oligarchs though.

Interesting sidenote. Like covid, H1N1 was also developed and leaked from a lab that was developing it as a bioweapon. And it has a cure. No one has to die of flu if they get cheap antivirals early in their illness. They cured the flu ages ago. They cured the cold. Hydroxychloroquine, among others, cures all that shit.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Profit margins are high, and we are talking about several billion people * $40 to $60 dollars.

I accept this correction that profit margins have improved. But starting from a bar so low that pharma companies were getting out of vaccines altogether.

A study released last year estimated that fully immunizing babies resulted in $10 saved for every dollar spent, about $69 billion total.

Sounds like they could price them at about 5 times the price and they'd still be a good buy.

Covid. [...] I absolutely believe they have undercounted covid deaths by 100 or 150 thousand. I believe these are nursing home deaths.

Good. Sorry, I'm not always across who I'm talking to, and there seems to be a fair amount of "COVID is a hoax" going on in here.

Interesting sidenote. Like covid, H1N1 was also developed and leaked from a lab that was developing it as a bioweapon.

Okay, that lacks plausibility. The first known H1N1 outbreak was the 1918 flu pandemic. Who do you claim had bioweapon technology sufficient to engineer a virus as at the end of WWI?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

False choice.

I won't let him determine my choices.

My choice to Biden: Would you rather be shot or drink poison?

[–]RightousBob 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hey Joe! Get fucked, or fuck off, the choice is yours.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Joe biden is sitting in the basement of the WH in his underwear watching cartoons and eating cereal. Occassionally they give him some aricept and trot him out for the cameras. He did not make this tweet. Jen Psaki or some other Karen posted this. This tweet reeks of mommy.

[–]blowininthewind 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

i mean this is correct in a sense from a classic liberal standpoint (john stuart mill) that the individual ought to be free to do as they wished unless they caused harm to others.

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I hope you aren't suggesting that not getting the vax is "causing harm to others". That line is Bullshit. Way more harm has come to others from world leaders/governments locking us all down for a year. The damage from their overreaction will go one for decades! For what could have been pretty much done with in a year if we just isolated the at-risk until the vax was ready and then let people decide what the best choice is for their own personal risk-reward of getting the vax. That is a Libertarian (classic liberal?) point of view, IMO.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Way more harm has come to others from world leaders/governments locking us all down for a year

It's hard not to notice that many of the cars on the road are newer now than they've ever been in my lifetime. We got one too. We have more money these days. Our investments are doing fantastic generally.

It's the first time a lot of people aren't living paycheck to paycheck anymore. I know it wasn't good for everyone, and there's of course the fear printing all this money is going to lead to rampant inflation, or the markets will crash. And they might.

But overall this went way better than I had imagined a year ago.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, very true. I'm actually kind of worried now after seeing how relatively well it's gone.

The fact that there weren't more major disruptions over the last year just tells us how detached from physical reality some things actually are. The stock market are way up after what should have been periods of lockdown & contraction for several industries. Housing prices are way up.

Either the economy is way more resilient than we imagined, which would means the whole industry of financial theorizing, analysis and punditry were complete bullshit and we don't understand economics at all... or things are desperately propped up in places and overinflated, just waiting for a slight breeze to bring it crashing back down. So which one is the real Potemkin village?

Makes me wonder about things like the gas shortages: an isolated incident, or a sign of more to come?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The economy is a ponzi scheme. The economic information is not real. All markets are more distorted than ever. They are luring us in to our demise. We are funding them. You are funding them.

This is like gambling at a casino. The house always wins. You are playing against the house.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The "stock market" consists mostly of large companies. Like the S&P: an index of the 500 largest companies.

Who does well when small business are failing?

Big businesses.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok, so there's another tragic realization to add to the list, if true: small businesses add nothing of value, and we wouldn't really miss them if they were gone... we would do just fine with supply chains & distribution managed by megacorps like Amazon & Walmart.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The goal of our feudal overlords is to turn us into WALL-E.

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tell that to the best man in my wedding that committed suicide 7 months ago.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's sad.

But overall death by suicide was down about 7% last year.

There's are fewer such people than there would have been.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My condolences for your loss but that's going to be a little difficult.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If you accept that harm to others includes sickness and death, then it's not bullshit.

The way to safely lift the lockdown is to be vaccinated. Or have everyone follow the lockdown rules for a few weeks.

In the meantime there literally no harm and C summer good from watching a mask. Most magahats are better looking with a mask on.

How the fuck do you get so manipulated by the Russian social media attacks on the US that you think wearing a mask is a beach of civil rights?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The way to safely lift the lockdown is to be vaccinated. Or have everyone follow the lockdown rules for a few weeks.

Acually the reverse is true. It is safer to let this government created virus naturally infect the population until herd immunity is reached if a survival rate of ~100% can be acheived. Which it can.

Its debateable whether the elderly or other sick people are better off with a vaccination or chemoprophylaxis. I think chomoprophylaxis is probably safter but the vaccine may be more convenient.

The vaccine has no benefit for young healthy people when weighed against the risk. Dozens of young people are dying daily from this vax because it is creating a cardiovascular illness in them that is only associated with severe covid, which they would otherwise never have developed.

Thousands more a day, literally millions, will develop permanent auto-immune disease.

Immune reactions are the cause of autoimmune syndrome. All immune reactions are potential triggers of autoimmunity, and this vaccine is designed to provoke the strongest immune reaction possible. Immune reactions do not always go the way they are supposed to. They sometimes cause disease and death. Every person with RA or lupus or MS is someone who had an immune reaction that went wrong. Do you understand that?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Getting infected also causes an immune reaction.

The vaccine is better, because it isn't infectious, and doesn't damage your organs.

[–]RightousBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Been on saidit for a week and literally everyone of your comments is a mainstream media/big pharma/CIA-DNC talking point. It's almost as if you are being paid to push an agenda. Either that or you are batshit crazy.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do I correctly understand your claim?

You're saying that the fact that getting infected with a disease causes an immune reaction is batshit crazy or an agenda.

And this agenda is one of this mainstream media/big pharma/CIA-DNC coalition?

Is that right?

Because getting infected does cause an immune reaction. It's kind of the immune system's raison d'etre.

[–]RightousBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Another gpt3 bot. Ay mate?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're dreaming, mate. No AI has passed the Turing test yet. https://dataconomy.com/2021/03/which-ai-closest-passing-turing-test/

Is your position that the fact that "getting infected with a disease causes an immune reaction" is batshit crazy or an agenda?

If you don't stand by your position, that's fine. And I understand why you might want to change the subject rather than have to defend a position that isn't fundamentally reasonable. But if you do believe that there's something blatantly impossible about the immune system reacting to an infection, maybe you're interested in clarifying that a bit.

Because on the face of it the claim looks pretty stupid.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Getting infected also causes an immune reaction.

I agree, however when young healthy people get this infection it is generally limited to their respiratory and GI tracts and the natural immune response is less severe. Antibody titers are lower with the milder infections as are basically all inflamation markers. That is because the innate immune response does the heavy lifting in younger people making it unnecessary for the body to produce a strong adaptive response. That reduces the risks of all kinds of immune complications.

Natural response is safer and better for children and young adults with no severe underlying issues. Far safer.

and doesn't damage your organs.

Demonstrably false. Your cardiovascular tissue is an organ. Your blood vessel cell linings absorb the vaccine and subsequently present the spike protein. Such as the capillaries in your brain where a great deal of inflamation takes place. That is where the immune response occurs rather than your nose which is where it would otherwise take place. Your platelets are being destroyed in the immune reaction increasing the chances of both hemmorhage and clotting.

All these vaccine headaches? They are caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. Basically mini strokes. More frequent in women because estrogen promotes clotting.

Autoimmune syndrome causes organ damage. Thats why it sucks. Lupus, RA, MS, they all cause organ damage. You can get all that shit from vaccines. These vaccines are designed to produce the strongest immune response possible. They are designed to produce a strong response in elderly people with shitty immunity. What are they going to do in a 20 year old?

Younger people are far better off just getting the disease than assualting their cardiovascular system and risking anaphylaxis. Have you seen this “Moderna arm” reaction on people’s injection arm? That is a mast cell response that is happening internally as well in places like the endothelials that line your blood vessels. That is occuring in at least 1% according to moderna’s own data.

There is no argument for young people under 40 getting this jab. Maybe it makes sense for elderly people. Maybe. Everyone else ( people under 60 or so) will do well if given antivirals early.

Prophylactic low dose antivirals are SAFER than the vaccine and the only issue is compliance. Prophylactic HCQ has been used safely on a billion people over 50 years. Ivermectin has never killed a person in 50 years.

Trust oligarchs, peasant. Trust government and big pharma. Who’s liable if you are harmed? Just you? Sounds like a great deal.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Natural response is safer and better for children and young adults with no severe underlying issues. Far safer.

Certainly not for the mRNA vaccines.

Young adults age 18 to 34 years hospitalized with COVID-19 experienced substantial rates of adverse outcomes: 21% required intensive care, 10% required mechanical ventilation, and 2.7% died. Clinical Outcomes in Young US Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19, Cunningham et. al. JAMA (2020)

The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.4% in the vaccine group and 0.2% in the placebo group. No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine. - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html#18-serious-adverse-events

Have you seen this “Moderna arm” reaction on people’s injection arm? That is a mast cell response that is happening internally as well in places like the endothelials that line your blood vessels.

Okay. You might need to point me to the research showing inflammation of the endothelials in people with CoVID arm.

Pointing out that getting CoVID will also give you endothelial dysfunction: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7554490/

Prophylactic low dose antivirals are SAFER than the vaccine and the only issue is compliance. Prophylactic HCQ has been used safely on a billion people over 50 years.

The issue there is that it is ineffective.

We found no evidence of a difference in COVID-19 mortality among people who received hydroxychloroquine for treatment of rheumatological disease before the COVID-19 outbreak in England. - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30378-7/fulltext

Ivermectin has never killed a person in 50 years.

Again, what is missing is evidence of effectiveness: https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904 https://theconversation.com/ivermectin-why-a-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-for-use-157904

Trust government and big pharma.

Your post is literally shilling for ongoing doses of HCQ or Ivermectin, for literally everyone for literally ever. Rather than 2 shots of a vaccine.

Do you really claim big pharma would prefer the vaccine?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Young adults age 18 to 34 years hospitalized with COVID-19 Young adults who are hospitalized with covid have underlying conditions. Healthy kids do not get severe covid. They will have the most severe reactions to the vaccine. There is no upside to the vaccine if you are under 40 unless you have a serious physical disabiltiy.

The proportions of participants who reported at least 1 serious adverse event were 0.4% in the vaccine group and 0.2% in the placebo group. No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine.

Right on the table it shows multiple side effect categories where subjects had severe side effects higher than 0.4%!

18- 55 years: severe redness 0.5%, severe fatigue 4.6%, severe headache 3.2% (the headaches are brainclots!), severe chills 2.1%, severe muscle pain 2.2%, severe joint pain 1.0%

Those are just the younger adults. I wonder how they calculated that number. Even if you add in the other age groups multiple categories are going to be well over 0.4%. They mostly look to be statistically significant against the control.

No serious adverse events were considered by FDA as possibly related to vaccine.

I wonder how they can get away with this statement! It is bewildering.

Okay. You might need to point me to the research showing inflammation of the endothelials in people with CoVID arm.

“Our suspicion of delayed-type or T-cell–mediated hypersensitivity was supported by skin-biopsy specimens obtained from a patient with a delayed large local reaction who was not among the 12 patients described here. Those specimens showed superficial perivascular and perifollicular lymphocytic infiltrates with rare eosinophils and scattered mast cells “ https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102131

Just search moderna arm. It happens on about day 8 after the vax. They have no idea why. Just moderna.

I am going to adress the ivermectin and hcq points in a little bit. Hopefully before bed.

Edit:

I looked at that HCQ prophylaxis study. Heres the thing. It looks at NHS data on RA and Lupus patients some of whom are on HCQ maintenance. (We don’t know how much)

There are 30,569 patients that filled HCQ scripts in the 6 months prior to the study date. There were 70 deaths. So they are comparing the death rate to the non-HCQ group.

What level of confidence can you have that the 70 who died were people that were not non-compliant? These were people that were not interviewed. Among the non-HCQ group you can assume that a high proportion were taking corticosteroids. Corticosteroids are going to reduce your mortality from covid for sure. How much? Who knows. But we dont know how many people became symptomatic or tested positive.

There are multiple studies of ivermectin and HCQ used as pre exp. prophylaxis. Almost all show benefit similar to vaccines. HCQ prophylaxis doses were mostly tested at 400mg a week because that is what they use for malaria. I suspect a more reasonable dose for high effectivenes will be about 600 or 800 mg a week. Still a very low dose that could be taken for decades.

https://c19hcq.com/#prep

https://c19ivermectin.com/#prep

Your post is literally shilling for ongoing doses of HCQ or Ivermectin, for literally everyone for literally ever. Rather than 2 shots of a vaccine.

Because they will save someone’s life. They are safer. You literally only have to take one or two pills a week. It is cheap. The science is with me.

Even aside from the blood clot issue and the potential for developing an autoimmune disease and the anaphylaxis ......

They still haven’t solved the ADE issue. Ive read several researchers who say that a future variant is likely to cause ADE — an infection of increased severity because you have antibodies. At least in some people. The people that will get the sickest from an ADE response will be young people, the very people least likely to benefit from the vaccine otherwise. The only way to mitigate the ADE effect if you are young is to continue getting boosters every year or so.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way to safely lift the lockdown is to be vaccinated. Or have everyone follow the lockdown rules for a few weeks.

Which one was Florida doing this whole time? Or Texas?

They fared no worse relative to other states, and I believe that tells us there are details about the transmission of this virus that have been badly misunderstood over the last year. We might've latched on to bad recommendations because of this. But, even if governments knew that masks only made a minimal difference right from the start, they would probably still tell everyone to wear them as a panacea, to make the populace feel like we are in control, and "doing our part" to help. It's well-meaning and understandable.

Officials always get obsessed about technical definitions so they can look up the correct protocols to recommend from their manual. They are unthinking bureaucrats. Like remember last February/March when they were hesitant to call it a "pandemic" and were quibbling about the precise definition of the term? I think the same is true about questions like whether this virus should now be reclassified as "airborne" which was also widely denied as they pushed for the "droplets" explanation, and then "aerosols" for so long instead.

Droplets & aerosols would justify the 2m rule and masking. But distance wouldn't actually help for an airborne virus, and neither would masks. I predict that "lockdowns" in apartment buildings with shared HVAC systems didn't help us much either. It's possible that other recommendations focusing on dilution would've had better results instead: improve ventilation, open windows, gather outside, etc. Assuming they're willing to admit it's been airborne this whole time of course.

How the fuck do you get so manipulated

Sure, some people are easily manipulated and don't think for themselves. But it's possible to disagree for well-founded reasons and contradictory evidence too. It shouldn't be a tribal team-mask vs. team no-mask argument assuming everyone is stupid. Are you manipulated to "trust the science", or have you looked into it? If you did, would you allow yourself to raise questions and have a solid discussion about it?

I'm not "anti-mask" by the way. There's much more interesting depth to the issue that's worth actually discussing.

[–]blowininthewind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

well you need herd immunity. so it's not bullshit.

edit: you can find that line i wrote in this wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill which links to many places. yeah it is a liberal view.

[–]NutterButterFlutter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Papers, please.

Glory to Ameristotzka!

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've had to produce papers to fly since the "patriot" act of W Bush.

[–]chadwickofwv 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Bush was also a traitor to the American people. In fact, they're both part of the same uni-party which has been systematically violating the US Constitution since at least the 1980's.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tend to agree that the patriot act is hostile to the American people.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It probably makes sense to have vaccination papers for international travel, and this already exists for other diseases anyway. No big deal. Their country, their rules.

Internal movement though? No.

[–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Will this start a civil war?

[–]cant_even 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Who's going to stand up and take Jefferson Davis's job? How about Lee's job?

1861 is not now. The model you need to study is '90s Yugoslavia.

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not even close. Ya start small with items of clothing, colors, rings, or something else nobody cares about. Less than a hat. Nobody will care.

The war will start when the government stops banning symbols, words, and iconography, and starts requiring it. People already refuse to wear masks. Imagine if it was something 10 times more drastic like an actual symbol people had to show. For example:

"Anybody caught outside without papers, documentation, or a letter D on a visible part of their clothing, will be fined $1 by police."

That's when you know shit is about to hit the fan. We all carry I.D.'s to drive. So most of the country won't care. Demand someone to dress a certain way, even a little bit by demanding a symbol to be worn, is a violation of freedom of speech and after enough politicians end up in jail (the 4 or 5 who refuse to comply) then that's one way the war starts.

Or the dollar collapses and the people in the cities demand free food. That's another possible way the war begins.

[–]charlie6067 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What sets Joe apart isn’t his left-wing politics or even his concern for the safety of others. It’s his hunger for a set of rules and conventions that provide him with both validation and a sense of superiority over others.

[–]joedude 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sadly Canada has been at this point for over a year.

[–]FuckMasks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like how the " rule " (law?) is now laid out in a quick tweet, not a process or official announcement or anything.

Also - I don't have twitter so this doesn't apply to me.